Curious, what are your stats?

one of the best things you can do for yourself is to give bad advice that you believe to be good and have others rip it apart for you. of course you can't do it on purpose but when it happens you are very fortunate.

Dave if it makes you feel any better, Your video was the first one i watched when i joined your training site. I don't comment on videos, but yours definitely helped me grasped L08 better. So don't consider it a waste or anything because it actually helped one person

if somebody is good at poker then why would they be broke?

Seems that this advise is given in every _limit_ O8 article for beginners. IMHO for PLO8 such hands as 23Wx just sucks as well as A2 with no side feature in EP vs. LP raise. Just ask yourself: "How are you gonna to scoop the pot or get 3/4 of it?"

Making money is the easy part, it's keeping it that's hard...

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Take a look outside this thread and we [by coincidence] have a thread about this particular hand. That advice is not bad advice at all - many of us would at least call but probably put in a raise with it so as not to distinguish from when we're raising all the other hands we put in a raise with. It is a playable hand - and I am a tight player. Buzz said he'll play it!

The reason ATE says regardless of position is that in low limit omaha high low, in many of the games position is not as much of a factor as you would expect unless the game is tight (although it always counts for something but more so postflop). A loose game will usually compensate any pot odds you don't have preflop and will pay you off when you hit the right flop texture, such as the nut low draw and the nut flush draw, and as far as that goes, you just have to bet your hand and they put the money in whilst you have a general idea of their range. Imo its not that hard to read someone when you're OOP, but obviously its easiER when in position.

+1

ATE's site currently averages about $40 a month, and since the highest he's playing is 10c/25c (afaik) PLO8, you can probably understand why he might be broke.

IMO, it's good advice for beginners. Well, obviously you like starting hands that have the best chance to scoop. But you get dealt a lot of hands and flops such that your hand doesn't seem to have good two way potential. A partial answer to your question is if you play some situations selectively aggressively, it's possible to convert one way nut hands into scoopers.

For example, if you hold A,3,6,K, the flop is
9,7,2, and the turn is 6, by judicious, aggressive betting, you may convert your hand from a probable low winner to a scooper, outplaying opponents with better high hands.

Buzz

Now that I can't understand!... What is someone who "knows" (which the word "expert" implies) PLO8 doing playing .10/.25??? Really no excuse for you. For god's sake, go sell some gold or something, you only need 10 BIs for this game... And even if you are b/e 4-tabling $50max is at least $50/regular working day in RB alone...

Sounds like the "expert" needs to take some lessons in BR and money management instead of offering his own lessons... Better yet, the dude ought to arrange to trade some of his own lessons for someone elses...


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hahaha I love this thread

It is ironic on many levels... I have herd of geniuses who can't tie their own shoes...

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The drive to excel is often accompanied with the drive to play against the best. This can lead to poor game selection and poor bankroll management. Personally, my two tries for a WSOP bracelet were absolutely terrible bankroll management. Can't wait til I can try again.

Sorry just couldn't help myself ---> ATE testting his expert knowledge by going up against the best at 0.1/0.25

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I have played Live PLO8 at Rio - Amazon Room (5/10), Orleans (1/2) and Binions (1/2, 1/3), all during WSOP. I played a live PLO/PLO8 1/2 Mixed game in Tunica. Stakes of 1/2 OR LOWER are the future of this game as a live game, Hawaiian Gardens near LA offers .25/50 NLHE, whay can't somebody offer .25/.50 PLO8. It may be that .25/.50 PLO8 plays as big as 1/2 NLHE. And I have played 5/10 NLO8 as a dealers choice NLO/NLO8 mix in a weekly home game with a low min buyin (100).

This confirms what I herd before, the only chance to get a live game is during WSOP events.... That 10/20 game must have been INSANE.

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F*ck you?

Did they take your PLO8 video down because the only video I’ve seen by you on that site was a Limit O8 one?

No, I've done PLO, LO8, PLO8 and another PLO one I don't think is up yet.

-greg

Lol I didn't at the time mean to offend anyone but then I don't really mind if I do. I meant the core of what I said.

fyp

northerndeer commented on this too, but...

1) being suited is fine but not necessary. the point of the exercise is learn about equities and strategies. learning about the value of suitedness without just blindly accepting the concept would be one good learning objective, imo.

2) as ND said, suited aces are more of a lo8 concept.

3) it's not clear to me where ND stands on this, but a lot of plo8 strategy is based on how you can make people fold. janky A2xx and 23Wx hands have strategic value beyond just the showdown value.

have played 2/5 PLO/8 at River Rock in Vancouver ,it goes when they host the 2 big yearly tournaments. 2/5 - PLO/8 with $200min. $1000max. Usually 2 tables, with a few rocks for seniors, and some action money in the game.

Iss naht funny to make fun of peopth pwobwems, Dave

-g

That's great news! When exactly are these tourneys? I have never been to Vancouver, but always wanted to visit, this may be a good time and reason to do so...

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