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06-17-2019 , 02:11 PM
1.How often do you fold bad aces preflop in big O?
2. Is AAKJTds a Hand you would consider 3betting trying to get HU or does it play better multiway?

I find weak aces pretty hard to play in bigO
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06-17-2019 , 07:03 PM
think i've folded aces once ever preflop but it was a really unique spot. as it turned out i flopped a straight flush with my sidecards

aakjt plays really well multiway. you want a lot of people in trying to make worse big hands over your broadway/trips/fh's.
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06-18-2019 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by kisada
think i've folded aces once ever preflop but it was a really unique spot. as it turned out i flopped a straight flush with my sidecards

aakjt plays really well multiway. you want a lot of people in trying to make worse big hands over your broadway/trips/fh's.
Isn't AA47Q without nut suits an easy fold 9 handed in early position?
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06-18-2019 , 03:33 AM
hard to imagine ever folding that hand.
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06-18-2019 , 06:33 AM
I would never try to get it HU with a high-key hand.
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06-19-2019 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Asta0
Isn't AA47Q without nut suits an easy fold 9 handed in early position?
Do they play the game 9-handed? I guess it's possible without burning cards. I think whether the hand is a +ev open depends on many factors. It's main virtue is blockers, but in some games they are not valuable at all. In a high rake environment I'd always fold it EP.

3-betting AAKJTds is probably just bad for obvious reasons.
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06-19-2019 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
Do they play the game 9-handed? I guess it's possible without burning cards. I think whether the hand is a +ev open depends on many factors. It's main virtue is blockers, but in some games they are not valuable at all. In a high rake environment I'd always fold it EP.

3-betting AAKJTds is probably just bad for obvious reasons.
9 handed yes, loose game.

The rake is low, 10$ an hour on a 5/5 game

I'm a newbie in Big O but I still think it's a fold, the hand has no playability multiway
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06-20-2019 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
I would never try to get it HU with a high-key hand.
Hmmm. Didn't realize auto correct changed "high only". Anyways, I think the hand is playable in EP if you can limp with a low probability of being raised or if you think it is s good spot for a limp-reraise that gets it heads up.
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06-20-2019 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Asta0
Isn't AA47Q without nut suits an easy fold 9 handed in early position?
This was 7-handed:

Loren Klein limped from the first position, Jonathan Depa called in the small blind, and Mike Sexton potted for 32,000 out of the big blind. Klein repotted to put Sexton all in and Sexton called for around 100,000 total.

Klein: (A5)5T2
Sexton: A(AJ)74

Klein caught a set on the QJ5 flop and the Q turn and J river left him ahead to eliminate Sexton in 7th place.
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06-22-2019 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Asta0
1.How often do you fold bad aces preflop in big O?
personally i have no qualms about folding aces from early or middle position if they are bad, but there are so many factors that could sway me towards any decision with this type of hand that it's not sincere for me to say i would always fold or raise or call with this particular type of aces

variables to consider:
+nl, fl or pl? in fixed limit i think i fold more even though the postflop exposure is so much lower because fixed games are usually way looser and its hard to get bluffs through. in fixed, u basically have to hit flops and make good decisions, whereas nl/pl, there's a lot more room for creativity and you can airball more.
+position? the earlier, the more likely to be a fold
+stack sizes if nl/pl. if very shallow its usually a no brainer get it in, whereas any sort of decent depth and i am considering the other factors here whether i want to fold or not, and whether its better to call or raise if i play.
+the exact ranks and suits of all the cards (bad suits/rainbow, more likely to fold, bad low cards more likely to fold, not having 4 distinct ranks more likely to fold etc)
+table dynamics and playing styles of opponents yet to act (in a loose game i am way more likely to fold, and in a tight game i'm gonna play the hand and know i will essentially be running a bluff postflop a lot)
+tournament or cash game - are there icm/chip position considerations? will going through the blinds hurt a lot if i fold and try to wait for better?
+tendencies of opponents
+quality of opponents
+how good you running/how bad they running (can affect decisionmaking of both you and opponents)

Last edited by LUCIUS VARENUS; 06-22-2019 at 12:47 PM.
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06-26-2019 , 05:59 PM
Bad A-A is game dependent. Never plays well after the flop, even with an ace. Broadway draws, low draws, other draws are always there.

If you are against solid opponents, I tend to raise and hope field gets super thin. Seems really nitty to fold against good players. Against fish, fold is correct. I don't want to be 4-5 handed with it, hope for an ace then board pair seems long way to go.
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06-28-2019 , 07:22 AM
ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
850,668 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
as5s5c2dth42.91% 237,624291,2844,300325,1288,064
ahjhad4sqc57.09% 360,054555,0844,300120,5608,064
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06-28-2019 , 05:48 PM
good sim.

i think when people are learning big O, doing sims with assorted AA hands vs assorted AWWxx hands is a really good exercise.
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