I have always worked out how to play poker and poker variants using my own brain. Example, having started out at low stakes live NLHE, I saw this strange 4 card game being played on just one table in the corner of the room. Within 3 weeks of playing it was the joint best regular at the table. I got progressively better too as time went on, never had any coaching, never discussed hands with anyone, never read any strat discussions on poker forums. Even to this day, I rarely ever see any PLO strat on coaching videos, which I've recently watched bits of free content of, where I hadn't already worked out the concepts myself. That is not to say that there aren't some concepts that I am unware of or perhaps I haven't quite 100% solved myself, but if there are then it is very few, and I will still be at 90% already on them. There are some things in life that you can be self taught at, PLO is one of those things for me. NLHE I never solved using my own brain, and none of the other variants I have played have I properly solved with my brain, e.g. 2-7, A-5, Stud, Stud 8, Padooki, and yes PLO8 and the 5 and 6 card versions of them. I am good at these games but nowhere near as good as I am at PLO. So definitely, I want to get better at PLO8 (4/5/6).

While I have done very well in PLO8 live tournaments, on the rare occasions that I played short handed PLO8 cash against players who I knew were much better than me at it, they did crush me and own me. They wouldn't have crushed me as easily with 5+ players at the table, but short handed really exposed the big skill gap between them and me.

10/10 actually laughed out loud

Asta0, any chance of letting us know the outcome of the hand please.

Thanks

Please stop making a fool of yourself. Amok is the best Omaha 8 player on this sub, everyone agree to this.

I shove, vilain calls with A2445, we splitt.
The outcome of the hand is irrelevant imo.

Since when is asking results making a fool of yourself or doubting anyone's abilities?

Your level of anger and dismissiveness is ridiculous, you should be grateful of all posters who put time and effort into giving their thoughts,
and he may well be the best Omaha 8 player on this sub, but five things......

a) This is 5 card which is definitely less solved than 4 card.

b) I raised a point/concept that it is clear that Amok hadn't completely previously explored himself, which was about when to check strong hands.
He himself admitted that he solves stuff himself without a solver.

c) You have no clue who I am, nor who many other posters are, so it is foolhardy to dismiss all of my analysis, as some of it might be correct or useful to know or to think about.

d) Part of the value of a WWYD is for posters to know what happened, it is part of the sweat, so by not knowing it will put people off of posting.

e) Also, you should have stated in your OP if the game was live or online, which is an important factor.
And you haven't told us the suits of his cards.

Maybe you're having a bad day or something, we all do sometimes, but what you wrote was not nice. We're trying to help each other in WWYD posts, not fight each other.

You keep harping about this, but it's totally irrelevant. The concepts that drive your decisions are exactly the same and I think it's fair to say that my play in 5-card game is as good as it is in 4-card game. I have played this game as my main income for 18 years and I have never seen a player whose quality of play would wildly differ between these two games. Nobody is playing even remotely like a solver, so 5-card being less solved is irrelevant.

Strangely put. First you wanted to fold, which can only be justified if you don't grasp that villain should check most of his good hands. Then you came up with a formula, seemingly in a whim, to prove to me that villain should check most of his good hands.

Ermm, no, I was in agreement with you on the principles of which hands the villain should check. I said I am folding because the hand in question is in a live game and I think a live player will not get the concept and will incorrectly lead a lot of their strongest hands.

So my "fold" here is in this one specific spot, in this live game, not my overall theory answer.

The fact that Big O isn't solved is completely relevant, as it means that even you as one of the top players in it may well be and probably are making some mistakes in it,
because you haven't worked everything out yet, and there is no trusted solver software that will tell you this.

But I guarantee that I will make some mistakes in 4 card game as well. Solver doesn't make the difference you think it makes.

You didn't read the sub

You're annoying af.
I'm assuming you're trolling at this point

No I'm not trolling at all. Perhaps it's just the truth that you find annoying.

But what is clear is that you and the OP, are both among a certain breed of poker players who come across as arrogant, unfriendly and lacking in any warmth towards others.

Good luck with your lives if that's how you choose to live them. You play a card game for a living, which is in the top 1% of least respected by society and least valuable to society professions.
Use your brain to think about that for a few minutes, instead of trying to enforce your arrogance on others on a chat forum.

I don't even know what this means. What is "the sub"?

We (me, OP and everyone in this forum) are here to talk about strategy. It's like mental puzzles. It has nothing to do with being "warmth towards others"?

I could not care less about what YOU think is valueable or respected by society.

Neverless, you raise some interesting points in this thread about that hand but there were unfortunately hidden under a pile of non sense.

"Re: Is Nik Airball the next poker superstar?

Because they are PROS, that's who he targets in such a way. They are also arrogant GTO pros, who he as an HGTO pro wants to teach a lesson and that lesson is
when you play ball in my back yard..."

Are you on a mission too?

I meant thread

I have read the whole thread now and I still dk what you thought was rude about asking results. I thought that was standard after the hand had been discussed for awhile.

There is nothing rude. I posted the results.

Because you are in a profession that is not respected by society and/or play a lot of poker, it might IMO be dragging you down into being someone who has less warmth than you once did
and you may have become desensitised to people talking badly to each other, because a lot of poker players do so.

Maybe this isn't terrible within a poker game itself, because the players at the table are your enemies, but on this forum, a little bit of warmth towards other players
will help you, because other posters are you allies when discussing a hand, they are not your enemies. Posters are real people behind the keyboard, not data.

Thank you for acknowledging that I made some interesting points, and I agree that not all of my analysis was great, but my analysis and my application of logic
did improve as the thread progressed. O8 and Big O are not my main/best games, PLO is.

I am not on a mission to shoot down GTO pros, I was just answering someone in that thread as to why Nik Airball targets GTO pros with trash talk and psychological tactics.
They are the main threat to his EV, so he's trying to make the most of any possible live game skills that he has, and does so in an aggressive way.

You were a bit slow in posting the results, it is definitely part of the sweat for posters, and you didn't name the suits. The suits are definitely important given that there was a flush draw.
I agree that results aren't important in terms of what the theoretically correct play is, but most posters do really want to know them.

No hard feelings, I wish you well in the games, gl