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Old 08-29-2017, 12:06 AM   #26
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Re: 75/150 Two pair keeps improving vs. pro

Why would villain be checking flop often?
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:27 PM   #27
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Re: 75/150 Two pair keeps improving vs. pro

Agree with DD. Although i am not a very good player, only betting my strong hands here esp if multitabling. Check to keep my low equity; not cbetting just because Hero checked.
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Old 08-30-2017, 10:26 AM   #28
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Re: 75/150 Two pair keeps improving vs. pro

OP said he would fold this to a CO open

OP seriously needs to work on his pre flop play
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Old 08-31-2017, 08:40 PM   #29
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Re: 75/150 Two pair keeps improving vs. pro

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To reinforce what most others posters are saying, you should bet/call the river.

But check/calling the river is not that big a deal. A much bigger deal is your preflop thinking.

This hand isn't close to a fold in the BB against a heads-up raise from any position.
Giving any thought to folding a hand this strong will cost you more money than any mistake you're likely to make postflop.
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OP said he would fold this to a CO open

OP seriously needs to work on his pre flop play
This.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:47 PM   #30
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Re: 75/150 Two pair keeps improving vs. pro

I play hand same as you (with exception that bb defense is trivially standard) but could be convinced that river check is overly nitty. I do feel like you get called by almost any low on this river because of your flop cr on that board texture and run out+turn action. Your hand looks high and he just calls and prays you have no low and his rags can take it. That's an argument for checking but not the end of the story.

He's probably almost never gonna bluff this river. That's an argument for betting.

He's probly not betting aces up cuz ur hand has plenty of broadway that got scared of the flush in it. That's an argument for betting.

He might not b paying much attention and doesn't know u so will he call with aces up? If yes, that's an argument for betting.

All these value factors have to be weighted against those times when he calls with a low, making your river bet worth zero and those times when he raises/calls you and you call/show down and lose. It's a math problem.

Pro poker tools can help with this. http://www.propokertools.com/simulations. Plug in ranges for villain. You can plug in percentages and narrow the ranges as you go. I don't use this tool enough and may delve in with this hand but no guarantees. Anyone with any other range calculator ideas better than pro poker tools would be appreciated. Anyone with tips or caveats about pro poker tools would be appreciated. I'm thinking about preflop percentages specifically. Those are pretty straightforward in Holdem but not sure about o8. For example, I can see how a naked pair of jj could be overvalued in an o8 simulator based on hot cold equity where playability could b a nightmare.

Finally, death donkey flop donk. When do we check raise flops? I feel like if we donk this flop we donk as semibluff too. I have to say the idea of donking here feels like a good idea but I'm wondering how you incorporate it into an overall strategy.
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:27 PM   #31
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Re: 75/150 Two pair keeps improving vs. pro

Well as you said I would donk some other types of hands here as well. We should still have some hands to checkraise, on this board I would prefer our hand to be a bit stronger. And we should tend to CR when we are strong on boards that favor the raisers perceived range (for instance - wheel card flops)
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:57 PM   #32
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Well as you said I would donk some other types of hands here as well. We should still have some hands to checkraise, on this board I would prefer our hand to be a bit stronger. And we should tend to CR when we are strong on boards that favor the raisers perceived range (for instance - wheel card flops)
Ok, so for example we checkraise flopped sets on this board for value. What bluffs/semibluffs do we checkraise then? cuz it seems like we donk those if we donk bottom two.

This is coming from someone who checkraises bottom two on this board, in part, because I'm checkraise semibluffing a decent amount. Maybe too much. But part of me feels like if I don't then my checkraises will be too value heavy.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:36 PM   #33
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Re: 75/150 Two pair keeps improving vs. pro

i like the simple bet flop and bet river. he is a good player dont get cute with check raises here. and being a good player he is more likely to pay you off.
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Old 09-21-2017, 06:34 PM   #34
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Where can one find a 75/150 game? please
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:58 AM   #35
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Re: 75/150 Two pair keeps improving vs. pro

Don't take this the wrong way but I am trying to be helpful by saying this. You are probably playing too high for your skill level with these questions. Poker fundamentals are missing here.
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:51 AM   #36
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he did say he was new to o/8 and it was part of a mix. most mix players have a few weak games.
and 75/150 is a higher stakes game but isnt so high as to find the best players sitting there.
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