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5/5 Big O - line check - deep vs tilting fish 5/5 Big O - line check - deep vs tilting fish

04-10-2024 , 03:55 PM
5/5 Big O in Texas. Extremely soft game. Most people have 75%+ VPIP.

Main villain in this hand is probably 35 years old, extremely tilted and buried for 10k+. Continues to pot everything preflop, play every hand, etc and can’t figure out why he’s getting slaughtered.

On to the hand —

$10 on the button

Hero (SB) $3000 Ad Ah Qd 4h 2s completes SB for $10. Our image is tight, but anyone not playing like a complete psychopath looks tight in comparison to this table.

3 limps, then predictably Villain ($2600) pots it in HJ to $70. Hero calls, limpers call.

Flop ($360) - Jh 3c 5d
We check and it checks to Villain and he pots it.

Hero has wheel wrap, AA, and 2 bdfd. Hero repots to $1440. Villain tanks for about 2 minutes and then calls.

Turn ($3240) Th
We pick up nfd and Broadway gunshot. Hero is all in for about $1200 effective. Villain calls.

How is my line this deep vs an aggressive tilter?

Results to follow.
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04-10-2024 , 04:49 PM
Its not great. You should re-pot over the $70 pre and would also prefer flatting flop.
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04-10-2024 , 05:13 PM
There is absolutely no doubt the highest EV line with this hand is to 1) get as much money in pre-flop as possible and 2) get it HU against a VPIP 100 guy. Your line fails both, thus you need to hit the flop hard which you did. After that you can't botch it - obv cr and jam any turn.
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04-10-2024 , 09:14 PM
I can't imagine not re-potting pre.
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04-11-2024 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by amok
There is absolutely no doubt the highest EV line with this hand is to 1) get as much money in pre-flop as possible and 2) get it HU against a VPIP 100 guy. Your line fails both, thus you need to hit the flop hard which you did. After that you can't botch it - obv cr and jam any turn.
I generally would 3b a hand this strong preflop but I reasoned that I am very very deep vs someone who is liable to show up with some trash like QQ468 and the rest of the table’s range is likely not that much stronger. I guess I was just trying to just play post flop vs a player who would likely hang himself. I didn’t want to push anyone out of the pot preflop as the post flop action in this game was insane.
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04-11-2024 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Your Mom
I can't imagine not re-potting pre.
I had a very tight image for this table due to the insane action and didn’t want to scare anyone off (especially villain) with a hand that will play very well post flop. But if the perceived “table nit” 3b pots pre I reasoned that my hand would become very transparent and allow even a tilting fish to make a prudent fold, or at least limit his aggression post flop.
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04-11-2024 , 08:34 AM
There is no way any of that will compensate enough. They will find reasons to call pre, call flop and so on. Your hand plays much better in low SPR compared to high SPR, plays much better HU and you get to push equity. For me, no matter how villains play, always 3-bet pre. It doesn't matter that your hand "is transparent" i.e. you have a good hand. They know it even when you call.
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04-11-2024 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by agnostia
I had a very tight image for this table due to the insane action and didn’t want to scare anyone off (especially villain) with a hand that will play very well post flop. But if the perceived “table nit” 3b pots pre I reasoned that my hand would become very transparent and allow even a tilting fish to make a prudent fold, or at least limit his aggression post flop.
This is the nit doom spiral - "I can't jam cuz it will look so strong", "I can't value bet thinly because they know I'm a nit and they will just fold", "I have to fold because he knows I'm a nit and he raised me anyway". The answer to all these things is stop being such a nit
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04-11-2024 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
There is no way any of that will compensate enough. They will find reasons to call pre, call flop and so on. Your hand plays much better in low SPR compared to high SPR, plays much better HU and you get to push equity. For me, no matter how villains play, always 3-bet pre. It doesn't matter that your hand "is transparent" i.e. you have a good hand. They know it even when you call.
Fair enough. Very reasonable.
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04-11-2024 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
This is the nit doom spiral - "I can't jam cuz it will look so strong", "I can't value bet thinly because they know I'm a nit and they will just fold", "I have to fold because he knows I'm a nit and he raised me anyway". The answer to all these things is stop being such a nit
I get what you’re saying but I was probably playing 30-35% vpip. But anyone not playing 75-100% looks like a nit in comparison.
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04-11-2024 , 04:33 PM
Results —

River is 4o and we scoop with a wheel vs A5579

Thanks for the replies.
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04-12-2024 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by agnostia
I get what you’re saying but I was probably playing 30-35% vpip. But anyone not playing 75-100% looks like a nit in comparison.
But what would you say was your iso-3bet against the said villain? If you don't 3bet this, it's probably exactly zero OOP. For me it'd be around 10 and I'd be very tempted to go close to 15.
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04-12-2024 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by amok
But what would you say was your iso-3bet against the said villain? If you don't 3bet this, it's probably exactly zero OOP. For me it'd be around 10 and I'd be very tempted to go close to 15.
You are right about that. OOP deep vs this villain my 3bet iso is almost nonexistent. This is also due to small sample size of maybe 50-60 hands. In position I basically always 3bet this villain but decided to take a non traditional line to try to capitalize on villain tilting his brains out. Wasn’t sure it was the best way to approach the hand though. If I 3bet pre, then I assume I just go bet, bet, bet post flop? Or do I try for a c/r on this flop that he should know likely connects with my range?
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04-12-2024 , 03:37 AM
You can even check full range on this board if you want to. It doesn't matter much. What matters is that you got a lot more money in pre as a massive favorite and knocked two players out.
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04-13-2024 , 05:55 AM
Clearing out some players pre will increase your high equity and let you win 3/4 more often if someone actually has a good hand. For example AA2 vs AJ2 on J74 but now you let KQ773 see a flop too.
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