We arrived at the game about 2 hours earlier. The game had been running for about 8 hours at this point and there are 4 action players. The game is playing very wild with 3 and 4 bets being fairly common.

V1 - button - $1000 - has been straddling every hand (you can straddle from anywhere) and raising his straddle most times if limped to him. He is buried for $5k+. He is on full blown tilt.

Hero - SB - $2500 - clean, winning image.

V2 - bb - $3000 - older doctor. Has a lot of money, not very good but probably a little better than he tries to seem. Very gambly though. Winning $2k.

V3 - co - $3000 - older rich guy. Very loose passive. Big calling station. Losing a ton. $5k-8k.

He have A2778

Preflop:

V1 straddles to $10, hero limps, v2 limps. 2 more callers. Then V3 pots it to $70. Everyone calls.

Flop: $420 - 6 players.

K 8 4
We check, v2 pots it. One caller. V3 then pots it to $2100. V1 folds... Hero??

This hand is the first time I have seen v3 raise preflop and he has done a lot more calling than he has repotting tonight.

Aside from having a suited A, our hand is a fairly marginal A2 hand, but we flop great. However, I feel like its likely I do not have the only A2, but also someone with a set. $1000 deep I shovel it in all day, but I feel like it becomes a more interesting spot when deep, especially considering the flops action.

I'd getin all day long. There is one player drawing very slim and it's not you.

Not an amazing spot but you can't fold

Snapfold

I lean towards calling, but I don't think folding is bad either since we only have $70 in the pot and are now being faced with a $2100 bet with two other players putting over $500 in the pot already.

I think this is a very player / read dependant spot

Why do you think snap fold? Obviously, its not a great spot, but on the other hand I'm never in terrible shape if I get it in.

Results:


Is there any sense in leading the flop?

I would rather lead with lower visibility than you have with your hand so definitely prefer checking.

What kind of ranges are we giving V2 and V3 given we hold the A ? V3 feels like a lot of top/middle sets, but given your read of him being loose-passive then his re-pot is more weighted towards KK with A2x. V2 could be very wide, but given our blockers and what we expected V3 to be blocking it feels unlikely that he has a hand strong enough to call behind.

Hi, yes this is a SNAP get it in spot.
One of the villains will have top set for sure (most likely v2)
V3 is TILTING and lost already over 1500 Big blinds (in a live game ...)
His range can consist of hands that do block your draws, but his hands will also block the top set his draws to boats.

Is hero rolled for this game? are u ok with losing 5 buy ins in a single hand?

doom scenariowhen booth villains block your draws)

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

561 trials (Exhaustive)

board: k84

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
ad7d2c7c8s	30.48%	39	142	16	3	300
askskc4d7s	47.59%	132	395	8	0	6
ac2d3d8c9c	21.93%	8	8	8	87	294

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

561 trials (Exhaustive)

board: k84

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
ad7d2c7c8s	46.17%	135	175	8	294	6
askskc4d7s	45.28%	129	372	8	0	6
ac3d3skh8c	8.56%	5	6	0	90	0

This is what I was concerned with.. Having my draw blocked and/or someone else having the same low draw, which I think was almost surely true. I'm not a professional, and have other sources of income, but keep my poker money apart from actual income/budget. That being said, I have been winning in this game for several years and am definitely rolled. I know its a really tight fold but at the time I thought given the action it was the right move. In retrospect (results aside) I wish I had called.

If you had gotten it all in on the flop, would there have been a lot of discussion on running it out multiple times?

i doubt it. i generally do not run it twice in split pot games, especially if it is nto heads up. if someone who i play with a lot asks to run it twice i will if the pot is really big, but 9 out of 10 times i prefer once.

Are we limping pre because we expect the straddler will pot it when it gets limped to him? Or because this hand isn't that good? I come from a NLHE background where limping is generally a big no-no so I want to understand.

Limping is fine in PLO8. There are "good" PLO8 hands that don't really have an analogy in NLHE, and this is one of them. These hands want volume and they want position. We don't want to do anything to discourage people from entering the pot, and raising from up front can do that. At the same time, we do want a raised pot with multiple people in it. Raising from up front can have the unpleasant consequence of a 3-bet and maybe even 4-bet. Now if those players are donkeys we can get all in with this hand with good equity and even a dominating situation (that's why this hand is not analogous to 87s or A5s in HE). But normally we want to see a flop with multiple people in the hand and only a 2-bet pot. If this hand were limped to us on the button, then we could put in the raise.

If you don't want to get it in on this flop, then either you're scared of the variance or the game is just too big for you. Believe me, I've been there. That's why I prefer to get staked when I play in games like this. The variance is insane. But your hand is just too good, especially with the 8. Obviously you wish you could change one of the 7s to a 3 at this point, but hey - hitting a 7 might scoop for you as well. Hell, hitting your ace could scoop too. Against gamblers, you just have to get it in here. As amok said well, someone's drawing thin and it's not you.

Your best bet is to make a deal such as "if someone scoops the pot, we run it twice, otherwise run it once and done."