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Old 05-01-2017, 05:25 PM   #26
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Re: 40-80 lo8. Back 4 bet. 3 way aces up on all high flop

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If a draw opens up after flop checks through, you can bet then.

There's no real draw on K99r except gutshots.

It's a way ahead/way behind situation.

Gutshot?

Game I play in virtually everyone would call with a hand like AQJ10, especially suited.

Isn't this called an inside wrap?
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Old 05-01-2017, 05:27 PM   #27
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Re: 40-80 lo8. Back 4 bet. 3 way aces up on all high flop

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Gutshot?

Game I play in virtually everyone would call with a hand like AQJ10, especially suited.

Isn't this called an inside wrap?
Yeah someone could have that wrap but anyone holding a single qj, jt or qt combo has only a gutshot, but with 4 outs that is obviously a very minor draw

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Old 05-01-2017, 05:29 PM   #28
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Re: 40-80 lo8. Back 4 bet. 3 way aces up on all high flop

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Yeah someone could have that wrap but anyone holding a single qj, jt or qt combo has only a gutshot, but with 4 outs that is obviously a very minor draw

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I think as well qjt wrap is unlikely to be in the hand considering the preflop action

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Old 03-18-2018, 01:59 PM   #29
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Re: 40-80 lo8. Back 4 bet. 3 way aces up on all high flop

Old thread but I think it's fine (and possibly even preferable) to bet either the flop or the turn.

Especially on the turn. Why give out a free chance to realize equity? Collect a bet from a King and possibly make two low clubs fold. That's not an outrageous set of events right?

I do not understanding wanting to C/R though at any point, that seems like an overplay.

And as far as any issues regarding balancing or whatever I'd say it's safe to just analyze this hand in a vacuum due to the particular nature of the hand.
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Old 03-21-2018, 02:05 PM   #30
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Re: 40-80 lo8. Back 4 bet. 3 way aces up on all high flop

This hand looks well played.
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Old 03-21-2018, 09:40 PM   #31
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Re: 40-80 lo8. Back 4 bet. 3 way aces up on all high flop

I guess it's okay if we know for sure CO will bet the turn regardless but can't really count on that and just handing out 20% equity to two low clubs that probably would have folded is a bad result. UTG may have them as a premium four low cards double suited type of hand makes sense with a limp re-raise.

Now if cut-off re-raised with something like A2Q5 he may just check again. Is he checking A2K5 if it got checked around twice? Probably yes, I would think but if the situation is like this a bet needs to go in

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
36 trials (Exhaustive)
board: K 9 9 4
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
ad 7d as 6s75.00% 2727000
ah 2c 3c 5h19.44% 77000
ac kd 2h 8d5.56% 22000

20% equity is around 1.35 big bets
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Old 03-22-2018, 12:26 PM   #32
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Re: 40-80 lo8. Back 4 bet. 3 way aces up on all high flop

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I guess it's okay if we know for sure CO will bet the turn regardless but can't really count on that and just handing out 20% equity to two low clubs that probably would have folded is a bad result. UTG may have them as a premium four low cards double suited type of hand makes sense with a limp re-raise.

Now if cut-off re-raised with something like A2Q5 he may just check again. Is he checking A2K5 if it got checked around twice? Probably yes, I would think but if the situation is like this a bet needs to go in

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
36 trials (Exhaustive)
board: K 9 9 4
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
ad 7d as 6s75.00% 2727000
ah 2c 3c 5h19.44% 77000
ac kd 2h 8d5.56% 22000

20% equity is around 1.35 big bets
I meant to type is the button betting A2K5 when it checks around twice, I'd say yes..but not sure and a bet needs to go in

No one is limp re-raising a hand with a nine in it, so UTG does not have one but could easily have 5-25% equity. Denying him this equity is more important than either trying to induce or save a bet against the button (if he was lucky enough to 3 bet with A2Q9 or A2KK congrats to him and he will win an extra bet) because a flush draws equity share is more than a big bet.

Yeah maybe someone does not have a flush draw, but you can collect bets from a King and also deny equity to a lone 4 from UTG.
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