Preflop: I think this is strong enough to 3b, but also am curious is this hand better or worse than AKQTds? How about this hand compared to AK87ds?

Flop: I'm not sure what sizing to use, or if I should even bet at all with no possibility to make a low on a 2 low fold. I kind of feel like pot isn't correct though.

Turn: As played we are lucky that there is no low so a jam seems like the only viable option. But what would we do on like a offsuit 8 turn? How about an offsuit A?

Assume no reads on villain, will post results later.

Ignition - $5 PL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 436.78 BB
BTN: 100 BB
Hero (SB): 87.69 BB
BB: 25.45 BB
UTG: 104.77 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K Q A 7

fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 11.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 8 BB

Flop: (24 BB, 2 players) 7 Q 3
Hero bets 23.4 BB, BTN calls 23.4 BB

Turn: (70.8 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 52.79 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 52.79 BB

River: (176.38 BB, 2 players) 4

Not sure if I'd 3-bet this (probably not, just fold), certainly would 3-bet AK87ds and certainly would not 3-bet AKQTds. OTF at SPR3 I think you should be potting a lot.

Akq7ds is not a big favorite vs any 4 random cards because its low potential is so poor. At best, this should be a low-frequency 3! 100bb deep. Shorter stacks we can consider 3! again. Flatting here situationally might be ok, especially with weaker player in bb (*rake matters)

Ak87ds is only slightly stronger in raw equity but much better playability, since 87 enables interaction with more boards.

No clear-cut answer vs akqt, in heads-up situations a bad low draw still provides more equity than a good hi-only, but multi-way we prefer the t vs 7.

Thanks for the responses

OK so preflop seems like a fold. As played, I do like potting flop, and if so, also jamming on an offsuit turn that brings a possible low such as an A or an 8. I mean, if I'm not jamming those cards then I definitely shouldn't pot the flop. I think we have enough equity to play aggressively here though (40% on flop vs flush draw + protected low draw, and 40% on turn vs flush draw + made low).

Villain showed up with T542ss no hearts here. I think the way he played this hand was not *terrible*, but I think I'd be inclined to fold preflop in his spot vs. the 3 bet (and possibly open fold??), and if not, I would have definitely folded the flop although he was actually a favorite against my exact hand.

If you have opponents calling three-bets with that garbage, then do it all day even with a marginal hand like yours.

Not sure how you think the way he played wasn't terrible, though, on every street.

Yeah I’m not sure, what is an appropriate button open percent, and I assume you would defend like 90% of that like in PLO hi vs. a 3bet. I only started seriously studying this game like 2 weeks ago XD

Well, turn is certainly not terrible. Folding turn would be terrible. I agree that both opening and calling the 3-bet are small mistakes. Flop is a clear fold like you said.

I think something like 40% is a reasonable opening range on the button. I think in theory folding some 10% to 3-bets is fine, but in practice most players are 3-betting only premium hands.

Let me start by saying that my analysis is how I would play this at higher stakes as I think the goal of most people is to learn how to beat the bigger games


If I did somehow end up in this situation on the flop I would bet smaller. More cards hurt my hand strength than help it. So by betting smaller I can fold out their complete misses and build a pot so that i can set up a large turn bet if i do hit a favorable turn (which this is) without getting overly invested. Plus my small bet might get some naked A2 to sense weakness and shove. Plus by betting small with top two on the flop I protect my range so that when I do completely miss the flop they still have to respect my small bets.

At bigger stakes the pot bet on the flop is mostly getting action from hands with great equity like sets, A2 with a flush draw, A456, or A2QX type hands

this is 2/5 fyi

pre: good

flop: dont like potting, you have to x/f on too many turns. i like 1/2-2/3 pot

turn: good

Oops, i thought this meant that $5 was the max table buy in. Like when people say they are playing NL200 its not $100/$200 stakes. I figured it was a .02/.05 cash game

I completely disagree with betting small on the flop. I think it's a good board for our range and hand is certainly decent but needs a lot of protection, so potting makes sense. We probably need to c/f turn to any heart. Any other low card I just jam.

On this board what are you folding out with a pot bet that you're not folding out with a smaller bet? I think this board is so draw heavy that the best protection is hitting a safe turn and then potting for protection.

Also potting turn on any low card just gets you freerolled a TON because the low card nails their calling range whenever they call pot on the flop. Plus your card removal on the flop SUCKS. With you holding top two, none of the flush cards, and an Ace King and Queen then it makes it less likely they have a weaker two pair, less likely they have a high hand like AKQ10 or AKQJ and more likely they have a flush draw with low cards.

I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. I'm just giving my thought process.

Nut low draw.

You sure about this? In this hand he didn't fold no pair, and 3rd nut low draw. The player did have an inside straight draw but that's weak with the flush draw on the board.

I think so often we think of situations as one is +EV and the other is -EV. Truth is that when you 3-bet with AKQ7 double suited and flop top two any play is going to make money long term because you hit the flop. Its choosing the best play. Betting smaller with top two protects your range for times you miss the flop and want to continuation bet small. If you bet pot every time you hit a flop you become exploitable because now when you bet 1/4 or 1/2 pot on the flop I know I can get you off your hand with aggression. You need to mix in some smaller bets when you hit the flop to protect your range.... If youre going to mix in some smaller bets when you hit the flop this is the perfect hand/flop to do so IMO.

Again, completely disagree with this statement. There are many hands that don't need protection like this hand does and such hands are much more suited for betting small.

So you're trying to balance out all the times you miss the flop with the few times you nail the flop hard enough that you don't need protection? like i said i could be wrong as im a feel player and dont use huds or sims.

Yes. Your small bets should be more polarized in this spot and pot-getins are more merged, mostly hands that need protection or benefit a lot from fold equity.

At least theoretically this question is ridiculous. Villain should be continuing a lot more against a small bet compared to a pot bet.

Folding preflop is worse than potting and potting is pretty bad. Putting in 1/8 of your chips out of position on a hand that can make monsters but will miss most flops is a bad approach to value.

This is the type of hand where you want to be making a pot bet on the turn against an opponent drawing dead, like on a Q74Q board.

This hand can be the best hand with redraws sometimes, but it misses too often to commonly make key pots out of position. If you are going to raise, at least do it on the button where on flops like 873 with two clubs it might be checked to you and you get a free shot to make your flush.

Quite an entrance!

You must have been bluffing right? When you play a high only hand and raise like that with only a weak straight you are bluffing!
My advice is never draw to a low, and play for flushes guarding against a full house. Straights etc for high are in smaller pots. Your last bet is a Barrell believe it or not and his call is probably your doom. A7 is a low but very wrong, that also would make it no large bet you are counterfeited so a big pot is useless the 4 on the end took high the pot but always remember to play best you play no the hands but the players, if your op is such then you can play those hands but 3bets are to get called and you done have enough.

What would I do without this forum? I learn so much reading these brilliant insights.

so with the latter you're referring to something like A7JT NFD or idk A567 that for whatever reasons 3-bet pre?

Yes, decent draws in general.

Ya this is how it is in NLHE/PLO high, seems logical that it would also apply to O8