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 Omania NLO8 - a couple of hands to review.  Omania NLO8 - a couple of hands to review.

05-27-2018 , 02:10 AM
Hey Guys.

If you saw my introductory post, you'll know I'm new to playing Omaha 8. That said, I've been doing a lot of studying and trying to learn.

I have three hands here from a $33 Omania NLO8 MTT I played last night, of which, I just want to know if these are standard plays, or whether I should be looking to tighten up - thanks in advance.

Hand #1.

    Poker Stars, $30 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37934231

    BB: 46,360 (115.9 bb)
    UTG: 9,950 (24.9 bb)
    MP: 8,280 (20.7 bb)
    Hero (CO): 16,066 (40.2 bb)
    BTN: 10,182 (25.5 bb)
    SB: 69,200 (173 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A 3 K 2
    2 folds, Hero raises to 800, BTN raises to 10,132 and is all-in, SB folds, BB raises to 19,464, Hero calls 15,216 and is all-in

    Flop: (42,664) 8 K 4 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (42,664) 8 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (42,664) Q (3 players, 2 are all-in)




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    05-27-2018 , 02:12 AM
    Hand #2.

    Note: Villain and shoved all in 3 out of the last 10 hands

      Poker Stars, $30 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37934233

      BTN: 39,128 (48.9 bb)
      SB: 49,214 (61.5 bb)
      BB: 20,591 (25.7 bb)
      Hero (UTG): 45,108 (56.4 bb)
      MP: 98,756 (123.4 bb)
      CO: 45,365 (56.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with A A K T
      Hero calls 800, MP raises to 98,656 and is all-in, 4 folds, Hero calls 44,208 and is all-in

      Flop: (91,816) 2 T K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: (91,816) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: (91,816) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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      05-27-2018 , 02:14 AM
      Hand #3.

      Final hand - is this an OK shove?

        Poker Stars, $30 Buy-in (1,200/2,400 blinds, 300 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37934234

        Hero (BB): 25,283 (10.5 bb)
        MP: 59,230 (24.7 bb)
        CO: 55,148 (23 bb)
        BTN: 64,716 (27 bb)
        SB: 296,049 (123.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 3 K A
        MP raises to 4,800, CO calls 4,800, BTN folds, SB calls 3,600, Hero raises to 24,983 and is all-in, MP raises to 58,930 and is all-in, 2 folds

        Flop: (61,066) 3 6 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        Turn: (61,066) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: (61,066) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: 61,066 pot
        Final Board: 3 6 8 J Q
        Hero showed 3 3 K A and lost (-25,283 net)
        MP showed A 2 J J and won 61,066 (35,783 net)



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        05-27-2018 , 05:45 AM
        1) wp

        2) not a big fan of limping strategies, but yeah calling a wide shove range with AAds wins you chips

        3) I think this is a mistake. It's a decent hand at 10bb depth, but doesn't play well multiway and three players have VPIPd before you. Just fold.
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        05-27-2018 , 06:35 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by amok
        1) wp

        2) not a big fan of limping strategies, but yeah calling a wide shove range with AAds wins you chips

        3) I think this is a mistake. It's a decent hand at 10bb depth, but doesn't play well multiway and three players have VPIPd before you. Just fold.
        Thanks for your input mate. Appreciate it.

        On point 2) - I was actually thinking about pre flop strategy, and was unsure what the best course is. In HE, I very very rarely enter a pot without RFI, but unsure in this game. Is it plainly and simply just best to raise our premium starting hands. How about playable hands from EP?

        One other question - in terms of bluffing and blockers, I'm really apprehensive in taking this line as at the moment, being pretty raw, I can't easily pick out spots where this would make sense - are there common spots where we can introduce bluffs or is it entirely situational?
        I've felt sometimes it might look strong and my range might crush the opponents range but many times all of that doesnt really matter that much. Some people just dont fold enough for whatever reasons... or so my thought process dictates (rightly or wrongly).

        Sorry to bombard you with questions. Are there any particular board textures where we can employ a cbet strat when we whiff or is that generally just burning chips?

        Thanks again.
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        05-27-2018 , 07:08 AM
        I think you can make limping work, especially if you don't have a raising range at all from EP.

        You are correct, most of low/medium level NLO8/PLO8 games play in a way which makes bluffing mostly unprofitable. Wait for a good hand and bet it, ez game.

        I think cbet strategies are mostly the same in this game as in other poker games. When you have a range advantage, you should often bet. Say you raise from MP and BB calls, board is 345. You have a big range advantage and can probably cbet close to 100% of the time. The opposite is true on a board like JT9. Keep in mind though that most players don't think about such concepts and they just play according to their hand strength.
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        05-27-2018 , 07:28 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by amok
        I think you can make limping work, especially if you don't have a raising range at all from EP.

        You are correct, most of low/medium level NLO8/PLO8 games play in a way which makes bluffing mostly unprofitable. Wait for a good hand and bet it, ez game.

        I think cbet strategies are mostly the same in this game as in other poker games. When you have a range advantage, you should often bet. Say you raise from MP and BB calls, board is 345. You have a big range advantage and can probably cbet close to 100% of the time. The opposite is true on a board like JT9. Keep in mind though that most players don't think about such concepts and they just play according to their hand strength.
        Thanks again mate.
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        05-27-2018 , 08:18 AM
        Just one more question if I may.

        How would/do you play hands like KK23, QQ24, JJ35 from EP, MP and LP? I've been folding from EP and to EP raises if in MP but calling if in LP and raising if folded to on the BTN/SB etc. Does this seem OK?
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        05-27-2018 , 08:35 AM
        KK23 is decent, but JJ35 is a lot weaker (is it even a top 50% hand?) and should be treated as such. Sometimes you can set mine with them, but remember that sets are weaker in this game than in PLO, due to split pot nature.
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