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06-30-2018 , 11:38 AM
Playing in an online PL Big O8 game, mostly populated by competent regs. I buy in for $100 and, after paying blinds, the first hand I get on the button is;
A K K T 3

$1 straddle is out, and three players call. I raise it to $5, blinds fold, as does UTG+1 and I pick up three callers, all of which have me covered.

FLOP ($21.75): K 5 3

It checks to me and I pot it, UTG folds, but MP and HJ call.
TURN ($87): Q
I shove my last $72.50. MP folds and HJ, who still has >$200 behind calls quickly.

I hate committing my entire stack so early, LOL, but do we agree this was the way to correctly play? Or is it a mistake to bloat the pot despite having position?

Last edited by FRGCardinal; 06-30-2018 at 11:52 AM. Reason: added that it was pot-limit in my description, though you probably figured that out.
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06-30-2018 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FRGCardinal
Playing in an online PL Big O8 game, mostly populated by competent regs. I buy in for $100 and, after paying blinds, the first hand I get on the button is;
A K K T 3

$1 straddle is out, and three players call. I raise it to $5, blinds fold, as does UTG+1 and I pick up three callers, all of which have me covered.
Well, I suppose you were asking if you need to raise here. No, you don't have to, overlimping is certainly fine as your hand hates to be 3-bet.
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Originally Posted by FRGCardinal
FLOP ($21.75): K 5 3

It checks to me and I pot it, UTG folds, but MP and HJ call.
OK, if you choose your cbets to be pot-sized (I wouldn't). It's not nonsensical to check this hand sometimes (you aren't pushing equity against their continuing ranges really and checking disguises your hand really well).
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Originally Posted by FRGCardinal
TURN ($87): Q
I shove my last $72.50. MP folds and HJ, who still has >$200 behind calls quickly.

I hate committing my entire stack so early, LOL, but do we agree this was the way to correctly play? Or is it a mistake to bloat the pot despite having position?
Why do you hate committing your entire stack so early (and what do you mean by that)? In general, low SPR favors OOP, so you should not really be looking to bloat pots in position.
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06-30-2018 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
Well, I suppose you were asking if you need to raise here. No, you don't have to, overlimping is certainly fine as your hand hates to be 3-bet.
Thank you. If I DID get 3-bet, am I always calling and seeing what the flop brings?
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OK, if you choose your cbets to be pot-sized (I wouldn't). It's not nonsensical to check this hand sometimes (you aren't pushing equity against their continuing ranges really and checking disguises your hand really well).
What c-bet sizing would you suggest? I've read that a PSB is optimal because it prevents any tells due to sizing, but I'm not convinced that's optimal.
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Why do you hate committing your entire stack so early (and what do you mean by that)? In general, low SPR favors OOP, so you should not really be looking to bloat pots in position.[/QUOTE]
I meant it was the 3rd hand I had played in the session, and with a card to come, getting stacked is certainly possible as I'm potentially fading every non-pairing card but a non-heart 7 or 8, and even those 6 cards probably chop it up. I shoved hoping to get a fold from someone on a draw, or a call from a worse set or two pair.

Thank you for your thoughtful response, by the way!
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06-30-2018 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FRGCardinal
Thank you. If I DID get 3-bet, am I always calling and seeing what the flop brings?

What c-bet sizing would you suggest? I've read that a PSB is optimal because it prevents any tells due to sizing, but I'm not convinced that's optimal.
Yeah I guess you should be calling a 3-bet with this hand IP.

Always betting full pot certainly prevents any tells due to sizing, but so does every other sizing, as long as you always use that sizing in that spot. I don't think you want to bet-getin your whole cbet-range, so maybe something like half pot makes more sense. There are a lot of hands (in both your range and their range) that hit this board very hard.

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Originally Posted by FRGCardinal
I meant it was the 3rd hand I had played in the session, and with a card to come, getting stacked is certainly possible as I'm potentially fading every non-pairing card but a non-heart 7 or 8, and even those 6 cards probably chop it up. I shoved hoping to get a fold from someone on a draw, or a call from a worse set or two pair.
Yes, I didn't even bother to comment turn play, it's so obvious that you need to getin. Sometimes it's just your time to lose your stack.
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06-30-2018 , 01:34 PM
Spoiler:
River ($221.00): 6

HJ reveals 48284 for a straight and the 3rd NL, LOL
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07-08-2018 , 02:01 PM
Your equity is about as good as any


the only thing I found just a touch better was a low wrap with nut flush draw



otherwise you had the best of it for a scooper
-gotta make those low draws pay...
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