bet flop

Stats on villains:

SB: 43,3/4,48
CO: 37,1/26,2

I had seen CO make some lol plays which is part of the reason why I checked. Seeing his hand at showdown in this specific hand only confirmed that impression. I obviously snap call if SB folds.

However, SB's turn action does look super strong, in my opinion.

You can't check flop and now be a pussy when you get the action you wanted. With your hand it doesn't matter if they seem strong.

Dwelling over hands like this is a massive leak. Getin and move on.

SB is a loose passive fish (passive being the key word here) who just led into two people and insta-jammed over my call and CO's raise. He obviously has top pair so easy call, right?

How exactly does it not matter if SB seems strong? We basically can't improve against current full houses (53 seems unlikely given we have a 3 in our hand) ...

SB shouldn't even be in the hand given what he had (hint: me giving a free card didn't matter). Is my raise sizing before the flop too small?

It doesn't matter because you have a very strong hand. It doesn't matter that this time you got it in bad, it's the way it should happen sometimes. Yes yes you can raise bigger pre and in general betting the flop is better.

think about it like this

you're not supposed to have this hand because of the way you played. so your opponents will in theory be more willing to go to war with their own weaker hands OTT. this is what happens when you are under-repped. so as a result/consequence, you will be often be forced to respond with a greater level of action on the next sequence. at least if you want to play good poker.

trust me, the nit in me is like "oh what can they possibly have" but yeah if you want to play good, fundamental poker, you can't fold here. not just that you have equity even in the worst case scenario. so just go with it.


as far as flop bet, i mean if you have a special read that your opponents will stab flop with a really high frequency and then lose their minds and dumpster all their chips because of a check here, i guess go for it. but that's just not really often the case and in general you should bet with your best hands because you want to catch someone else when they have their better hands, too.

PF sizing's fine

Lead flop, I prefer 40-50% to entice low draws. Getting chips in on flop is critical to ensure you're playing for stacks by the river.

Turn is a tough spot if we assume both villains are competent, but given description of CO as a monkey this is a call. Given your postflop action, SB assumes you're folding to turn shove a majority of the time and needs just 35% equity vs monkey CO. So his overshove range is strong, of course, but not exclusively boats (3xxx, A24x + FD, KK24 + FD, low + double FD, etc.) Shame if he shows up with J3 or JJ, but even then you have some low insurance.

edit: slow pony, +1 to kisada

i'll also add this: when you go for a c/r here, you are screaming you're at the top of your range and uber strong. so as a result, you wash out basically all the weaker hands your opponents have, but also some of their mid-strength hands. that's not the result you'd ideally like.

now look at it if you're just betting out. it's much easier to call if you're in their shoes and you give them a chance to make a play and raise if they are spazzy enough. additionally, what you're really hoping to do is to make the pot big enough such that you can shove turn for the rest of your stack. so if you pot and they all call, you have a very neat pot sized bet OTT and you're playing for stacks with a very good hand.

Well, SB doesn't strike me as particularly competent hehe. He called my raise before the flop holding 7655 no suits (not that it really matters lol) out of position. Your reasoning is clearly on a very different level to his (same for amok). What's frustrating about this hand is that a first level player like him (or like myself) just always has a full house here and I just couldn't find a fold. I get your reasoning and amok's reasoning as well, but I don't think it applies very well to 1st level poker.

Well this one actually worked pretty nicely. CO put it in with AQJ7dd (not to the nuts) so getting it in vs him on the turn would have been rather good ...

Thank you for pointing out the advantages of playing this fast. Then again, and I may be wrong here, playing it the way I did basically gave me what seems like close enough to perfect information given turn action. Once SB shoved, I told myself "Ok, he has a full house", then I took a look at my hand and thought about what type of player CO is (which doesn't matter at all at this point) and obviously clicked the "call" button. Solid 1st level Poker.

Strongly disagree.

I'm not talking about the lead, but about jamming instantly once I call and CO has gone all-in.

Just a quick reminder, he played 44/4 or some loose passive **** like that ...

There is a lot of awful play in Omaha8...

Game yesterday, 1/2, 400+ stacks.

Nittiest player raises preflop with A233 suited. Bunch of callers.

Flop: 345 rainbow.

Nittiest player leads out, gets raised and eventually all the money goes in heads up.

Opponent had 67JQ rainbow.

Turn paired the board and Opponent bemoaned his bad luck.

When you flop a really strong hand or draw, don't be afraid to lead/bet it...you would be amazed at what some people call with.

It aint a2-a4d or a2-a4s one way. That other way might mean you need a queen, but 55 jj 3j all mean at certain points in tournaments you can fold. If you are dead to the lo like one of them, who might even have a better lo draw, fold. I think it's a fold in 90% of cases. It isn't even spike an ace or queen it looks like.

I pretty much play pl08 only with some hold em because it is there. I agree that it is likely the small blind is full already regardless of previous play. With a third player involved I would venture that I am at best fighting a boat AND a possible wrap low combo better than mine that includes 2-4-6ddd at worst case. Anyway, I would never risk my tourny life with those VERY likely possibilities being present. I would fold toot sweet as played on the turn of bet, call, raise, reraise as at present that pot has no comfortable way forward with even my queen being no escape and my ace utterly flapping in the wind along with the duece. Sure, other hands could be at play but with multiple players excited, say goodbye. Bet the flop though.

every street is played poorly