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 PKO close to bubble: 2nd pair on a paired board, villain jams ...  PKO close to bubble: 2nd pair on a paired board, villain jams ...

07-28-2021 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dingdongdonkey
Winning Poker, Omaha H/L Pot Limit - 2,250/4,500 (225 ante) - 5 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: 58,571 (13 bb)
CO: 67,838 (15 bb)
BU: 225,738 (50 bb)
SB (Hero): 163,221 (36 bb)
BB: 537,742 (119 bb)

Pre-Flop: (7,875) Hero is SB with A 3 9 5
2 players fold, BTN raises to 11,250, Hero calls 9,000, BB calls 6,750

Flop: (34,875) 9 2 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets 11,700, Hero calls 11,700, BB calls 11,700

Turn: (69,975) K (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets 58,725, Hero calls 58,725, BB folds

River: (187,425) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 127,443, Hero calls 81,321 (all-in)

This happened with 40 players left (Top 27 get paid).

I probably should have folded turn, but it may be too tight to do that. Then again, villain blasted turn into two opponents and I block many of his semi-bluffs/big draws, so I really have no clue what I was thinking on the river.
Any thoughts are appreciated ...

No reads on villain.
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07-28-2021 , 01:31 AM
Folding turn is ridiculous. Not horrible to call river either.
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07-28-2021 , 02:08 AM
I'm raising flop and never folding turn. River is whatever - you have a reasonably high hand in your range but really bad blockers
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07-28-2021 , 08:50 AM
isn't unblocking spades pretty good for us here? as well as blocking a 9 for his 2p/set combos?
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07-28-2021 , 10:21 AM
i think you can get away on the turn. that big of a bet you know he's doing the same on a brick river. just think you can wait for better spot with a large portion of your stack around the bubble, just my opinion
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07-28-2021 , 10:36 AM
With no reads, I fold the river. Too few players bet the river with a good balanced bluff range in PLO8. The value range crushes your TPTK. Worse hand I expect most V to have here is AAxx. The most likely backdoored to trips with AKww.

If I've seen this player make any reasonable bluffs at any point in this tournament up until now, I might call. But I think that against most PLO8 players, you are crushed.
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07-28-2021 , 10:59 AM
Thank you for the responses so far.

I forgot to mention one "read" on villain. The hand before this one, it was folded around to him in the SB, he pots, I call. Flop comes 984, he bet 1/3 pot or so, I happily raise with A943. He snap-jams and shows the magical T987ds.

Unfortunately, I did have Omaha Manager turned off when this hand was played so I only had this (lol?) hand in mind. Villain is actually 25/25/0 over 22 hands. I obviously know what he had and I feel like he played this hand as face up as possible. How he went from 30% pot on the flop to 82% pot on the turn, both played vs 2 opponents, should give you a nice indication what he had lol ... Just to give you a hint, he had one of the worst hands I could be up against even on this rather ok flop ...

Last edited by dingdongdonkey; 07-28-2021 at 11:05 AM.
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07-28-2021 , 03:14 PM
folding turn is crazy, stop with this

op, honestly if you are of the mind that villain A. perceives you as a guy who folds to pressure and B. is willing to gamble that you will, then now folding river is now pretty exploitable.

however, i wouldn't necessarily look at his 897Tds jam as a guy trying to accomplish that. just someone who's spewing.
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07-28-2021 , 04:15 PM
Yep fold turn and quit poker while you are at it
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07-28-2021 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kisada
isn't unblocking spades pretty good for us here? as well as blocking a 9 for his 2p/set combos?
Spades definitely help but I don't think the 9 does when he's jamming after running kings.
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07-29-2021 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by amok
Yep fold turn and quit poker while you are at it
I obviously didn't fold and probably never will in this spot, but preserving a stack is just massive in O8 tournaments, I'm out of position, not closing the action and I may not win much even if I hit (and this being a bounty tournament, I don't cover villain).

This was obviously the worst run out possible, but I would have gotten quartered even if I had only made the nut low without improving my high.

Just to reiterate, villain is probably just another standard PLO8 TAG (he fooled me with the T987 open) and the bet sizing is telegraphing his exact holding in this specific hand.

1/3 pot on the flop: "I have the nut low draw and nut flush draw, please come along, but don't raise until I hit". 80% pot on the turn: "Ok, I made top pair on top of that and none of you has shown any strength on the flop, you can jam now if you want ..."

Last edited by dingdongdonkey; 07-29-2021 at 01:03 AM.
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07-29-2021 , 01:25 AM
True. One of those folds only the best of us can make!
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07-29-2021 , 11:24 AM
i misread this. i thought it was King of spades on turn. Yes definitely call turn. No one likes shoving turn? i would against certain people for sure
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07-29-2021 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cc408
i misread this. i thought it was King of spades on turn. Yes definitely call turn. No one likes shoving turn? i would against certain people for sure
It's a matter of cash game vs tournaments, I think. I would play this way more aggressively in a cash game, both on the flop and on the turn. Not sure about check-raising turn in a bounty tournament. Villain looks pretty strong and we probably have zero fold equity. I mean, this obviously works both ways in that villain might feel incentivized to call us pretty lightly, but my guess is we would get it in semi-bad a lot ...
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