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 Turbo PLO8. How should I have played this?  Turbo PLO8. How should I have played this?

08-27-2020 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by amok
OK. I'm sorry, I didn't understand that SPR=2. I didn't understand there are antes, since that's clear only from the pot size on the flop (and there usually aren't antes in PL games).

I think with low SPR you can have leads in this spot and I agree with monikrazy that this is a pretty good hand to do so. I don't think checking the flop is bad though. On the turn both checking and betting have merit, as long as you don't fold.
Yeah, with a higher SPR, I would simplify my strategy to 100% check.

I also think our default strategy here should be to check as well, since villain should be continuing at a high frequency. V can probably bet 80-100% of the time, but in practice, they rarely do.
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08-27-2020 , 09:57 AM
Hey Amok, I actually tried to use the converter on this one but couldn't get it to work, so ended up posting text. Any guidance on that is appreciated but one way or another will figure it out for next time. I'm sure there are resources here so I'll look into that.

Appreciate the thorough discussion, am learning.
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08-27-2020 , 10:00 AM
Oh, I get this message:

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Did you get the same? Mods?
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08-27-2020 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingnite
Meh, it can't be too bad having a leading range here.

1. If the SPR was 1, we should probably just lead 70-80% of our hands.

2. How wide are we defending BB? With the 2:1 SPR, V's range advantage (55-57%?) isn't big enough to prevent us from stacking off with 40-50% of our entire range.

3. We can probably construct a 10% leading range, x/r with 40%, call 10% and fold the rest. YOLO ignore the remaining 40% of our range as that equity is marginal, hard to defend, and replaced by the EVv gain of leading.

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Having said all that, villain should probably bet 100% of his range .

I am somewhat shocked villain didn’t lead here. I did a study a few months ago and cbet was just under 90% for turbo O8 player pool ( ignoring spr <1 and more than 2 callers).

The fact he didn’t turns his range face-up imo so betting turn is out of the question. Still think this is one of our best hands for betting flop as monikrazy detailed but think checking is ok too with plan to xr a good % of the time.
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08-27-2020 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by greybeard33
I am somewhat shocked villain didn’t lead here. I did a study a few months ago and cbet was just under 90% for turbo O8 player pool ( ignoring spr <1 and more than 2 callers).
Assuming by lead you mean cbet. My experience is the same, especially tournament players love cbetting flop against a wide range.

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Originally Posted by greybeard33
The fact he didn’t turns his range face-up imo so betting turn is out of the question.
This I don't really understand. Why exactly is his range face up, what is his range and why is betting against that range out of the question?
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08-27-2020 , 05:57 PM
Yes, that's the same message I get when I try to convert my WPN HHs.
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08-27-2020 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
This I don't really understand. Why exactly is his range face up, what is his range and why is betting against that range out of the question?

He checked a dynamic flop with 2 low cards that everyone agrees should favor his range where he should be cbetting (not leading oops) near 100% of the time. It seems we can now narrow down his range quite a bit, and I think that range is definitely helped by a Q. So if we don’t lead flop I don’t see how we would consider leading turn on a card that doesn’t help us but helps villain.
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08-27-2020 , 10:01 PM
I like the intention to check/raise on the flop. I think I would donk the flop if we were a bit shorter.

On the turn c/f is the worst option. On the turn your hand is still way ahead vs a general top 10% or 20% range, that is why i would pot the turn.

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Originally Posted by greybeard33
He checked a dynamic flop with 2 low cards that everyone agrees should favor his range where he should be cbetting (not leading oops) near 100% of the time. It seems we can now narrow down his range quite a bit, and I think that range is definitely helped by a Q. So if we don’t lead flop I don’t see how we would consider leading turn on a card that doesn’t help us but helps villain.
Even vs AQKJ, he is slightly ahead, which is probably on of the stronger hands you assume that UTG would not cbet on the flop there.
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08-28-2020 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by amok
OK. I'm sorry, I didn't understand that SPR=2. I didn't understand there are antes, since that's clear only from the pot size on the flop (and there usually aren't antes in PL games).

I think with low SPR you can have leads in this spot and I agree with monikrazy that this is a pretty good hand to do so. I don't think checking the flop is bad though. On the turn both checking and betting have merit, as long as you don't fold.
Yup I'm in the same boat as amok
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08-28-2020 , 03:19 AM
I understand your thinking, greybeard. It's similar to my initial thoughts, turn is not great for us and is good for our opponent's range. Still, SPR is only two so I think we need to go with it. I don't play $15 tournaments so maybe I don't understand villain's range as well as you do though.
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08-29-2020 , 06:54 PM
I'd fold never on the turn.
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