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05-24-2019 , 06:41 PM
PokerStars, Omaha H/L Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $9.19 (37 bb)
MP: $4.83 (19 bb)
CO: $35.52 (142 bb)
BU: $40.41 (162 bb)
SB (Hero): $8.50 (34 bb)
BB: $25.46 (102 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with 2 3 J 7
3 players fold, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, BB raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.50) T 8 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($2.25) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $1, BTN calls $0.50

River: ($5.25) J (3 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

Total pot: $6.75 (Rake: $0.16)

BB is unknown. I guess he has some kind of Ace-wheel hand, I'm thinking probably with an overpair but not nut low based on his turn check. Quite possibly has no low at all and bricked out/giving up, in which case I'm happy to get more money in against BTN. If he has got a low, it might not have mine beat

There's a good chance I have the only flush draw based on the action. If I hit a flush...

BTN is a calling station. There is almost no hand he will fold preflop and I've seen him call every street and overcall the river with no low on a 4 high card board with 2273 (pair of deuces was his final hand). I have no HUD or tracker at the moment but I would not be surprised he has >80 VPIP. When he bets he is never bluffing, but does not necessarily have the nuts, just a good piece like 2 pair even in situations where that is not a favourite / not an optimal spot to bet. I'm certain he hasn't got my low beat, but he probably has a straight, a set or two pair, and there's an extremely good chance I am >50% against his range, and that's worth a raise.

I checkraised turn to try to force out the BB. It didn't work, but I thought my low was fairly likely to be good, but was much more sure my 2 pair was no good vs BTN.

With regards to preflop, I think it's ok to be completing most 23xx hands. It's not great with these suits but it will do and mostly, if no high I'm gonna go out if no ace flops. Then when BB raises, it not pleasant but still a no brainer call because muh pot odds.

Thoughts on all streets welcome as always.

Last edited by LUCIUS VARENUS; 05-24-2019 at 07:11 PM.
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05-24-2019 , 07:14 PM
Where I think I went wrong was betting the river. Check/fold seems far superior because once BB calls 2 bets cold it mostly means he got stubborn with A3 or is being sneaky with A2.

The other thing I should mention is I could probably tighten up a touch on SB completion in a 40% SB structure. Debateable whether this one falls inside the acceptable range. This was something that was mentioned in Super System 2. When it's 10 and 20, one ought to be very slightly more liberal on a completion than when it's 10 and 25.

Last edited by LUCIUS VARENUS; 05-24-2019 at 07:20 PM.
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05-24-2019 , 07:41 PM
think it's ok. a lot of times, esp at smaller stakes, BB has AA and raises because it's AA. his turn check here indicates he's got something like that or an a3 type hand which you would love to get out.

based on villain's description i don't really subscribe to him having 2p+ necessarily here, esp cause he didn't raise back.

kinda weird when bb just cold calls 2 there though. usually put him on like a NFD that can't fold, maybe a3dd, aa3, and some passively played a2 on occasion.

usually i'm check/calling river as getting raised sucks. might reconsider if we had TJ ourselves.
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05-24-2019 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kisada
based on villain's description i don't really subscribe to him having 2p+ necessarily here, esp cause he didn't raise back.
I should mention from what I've seen so far, and I've seen a lot since he plays every f-ing hand, he doesn't ever make it 3 bets without the nuts.
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05-25-2019 , 11:48 AM
Would a fold pre be too nitty? Out of position and fighting for a small pot I'd like to have 2 broadways, not just one, to go along with my 23.

As played, IMHO I think the turn raise is okay as long as you don't do it so often they can exploit you. It's hard for someone else to have the same flush draw. Nobody showed any true strength on the flop so it's easy for you to rep something better than what you have.

IMHO BB's turn coldcall is a made low that's probably better than yours, so if you think you have BTN beat for HI, the river bet is good because the BB probably won't raise you with a made low, wanting to bring the BTN in for the ride.
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05-25-2019 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
Where I think I went wrong was betting the river. Check/fold seems far superior because once BB calls 2 bets cold it mostly means he got stubborn with A3 or is being sneaky with A2.

The other thing I should mention is I could probably tighten up a touch on SB completion in a 40% SB structure. Debateable whether this one falls inside the acceptable range. This was something that was mentioned in Super System 2. When it's 10 and 20, one ought to be very slightly more liberal on a completion than when it's 10 and 25.
Seems like a marginal, but defensible completion 6h.

While maybe betting river was mistake, that's actually when I like hero's hand best. Hero might be good for either side, but no reason to juice the pot here. There is some FPS OTT as played, and hero has way too much equity to c/f OTR. I think every street is marginal between c/c or fold, except river seems like an easy c/c.
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05-25-2019 , 03:59 PM
While there might be arguments for folding preflop, i dont think xr on the turn is a good line.

There is a better case for xr on the flop.
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05-25-2019 , 10:45 PM
personally i have a hard time folding that in the sb and i do think it's marginal. if it's a legit leak i'd totally believe it.

plus at small stakes there are rake considerations. limped split pots are gonna be bad for you.
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