Now that I've thought about it, I believe you are incorrect. As I recall, what prompted me to email Poker Stars support was a hand where I moved all-in pre-flop, got one call and had the winning hand. My cards were shown but not my opponents. When I went to hand replay, my opponents cards were not shown there either, simply that he had mucked.

In response to my email, support said that they were preserving my opponents right to muck a losing hand and not have it shown, either in real time or in replay. As long as my opponent had the muck losing hand option selected, then his hand would not be shown either live or in replay unless protocol required that it be shown (if, for example, he had gone all-in and I had called him).

I play on PS and use a HUD and I get to see all the mucked cards at SD. Since the HUD reads the HH the info is in the HH.

I don't know what an HUD is, but I'd sure like to know where I could get one. Also, at the risk of beating a dead horse, so to speak, it's not so much a question of where the information is, just how much of it the site is willing to show you.

Yea, playing in game where people are giving their money away sounds really irritating.

FYP

Oh, and yea, playing in game where people are giving their money away sounds really irritating.

In response to NL being more popular than Limit in vegas I agree. A lot of casinos do not even spread but one or two limit tables.....As far as LA....when it comes to cash Limit is preferred! Have you been to Commerce or Hollywood Park? It's probably 3/5ths Limit throughout the entire casino!!

Much easier to loose your stack in Limit. The play is crazy. The betting on draws is so prevalent that it becomes counterproductive to play those games, for me. Higher limits are much better, but the 1-2 games are just crazy.

And it drives me crazy that you can't bet enough to make em fold.

Believe it or not. Hawaiian Gardens has .50-1 NL games. (actually, it's 1-1 as the small blind puts in an extra .50 to the rake.)

I don't find the play to be abusive. More fun for me than any other tables I play at. You get to watch the fledgling players develop their play. With cards, and with their mouths.

The money is so easy for a tight player. If you can handle the occasional sucks. Cuz they will be calling you. When at these tables I rarely consider a hand lower than a Slansky 2.

Although, when you can get in cheap, putting a very aggressive player to sleep with an 84o is truly fun. Isn't it?

And if I'm sitting next to a headphoner? Well, I put em on.


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Why do you want them to fold? You get more money if they are spewing off 2 big bets on every 4 outer they have, which is often the case.

And why did you get banned from CC, if you don't mind me asking? If it's personal then you dont have to answer or just PM me.

Move up... to where they respect my raises... Of course! Why didn't I think of this?

the key to success in online poker IMO

I don't think this is caused by NL.

Its caused by old limit players playing NL. They get upset when they lose their whole stack.

Seriously, the old guys are generally the ones bitching and being generally annoying. The younger guys are either donks just having a good time or good players who say very little and are generally respectful.

Say what you will, but the only times I've ever had a problem with someone under 30 was if they were extremely drunk...though a couple of those were big problems.

These old farts aren't going to flip the table or assault someone(like the drunks), but they instead bitch about every damn little thing.

Deep stack NLHE is by far the best form of poker and always will be.

Is it slow? Are there drama queens? Is it hard to play well? Yes, yes, yes.

But the drama and the difficulty are part of what make it interesting.

I like the other games, especially PLO and 7 Stud.

But LHE and Razz I find boring and irritating. So to each their own.

I think Mason was just expressing his own personal opinion, I respect it although I disagree.

I made the mistake of calling attention to the abusive ways the "loyalers" treat any newby with an honest question.

When they make a slight error in their post, rather than try to figure out what the poster wanted, (act helpful) they troll around for guffaws and bake the poor guy. In mass. So I said the emperor wears no clothes. They pulled the post (didn't lock it) in 30 seconds.

Also, I was pretty vocal about their "insiders club." What a Bolshevik way to run a site. As you know, the only way in to the "insiders club" is to tow the party line. (kiss arse) Something I'm not real good at.

I always irritated them anyway. They were just waiting for a chance. And I gave it to them knowing full well I would get the hammer.


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You are misinterpreting the Muck Losing Hand option. Unchecked, when you can't beat the current shown hand at showdown, two buttons appear: You Lost (Muck) and Show. Checked, this option does not appear and Muck is always chosen. The next option on the list does the same thing when it is folded to you... a button allows you to show your hand faceup voluntarily. The reason for these options is some people like to never show or rarely show so they have it turned off by default. Regardless of whether the hand is shown faceup on the table, if it makes it to showdown and you are in it you can see it in the HH. If it folds to a player before showdown, you will only see it in the HH if either (a) that player chose to show his winning hand or (b) the player folded to was you.

You may also be confused by, say looking at the HH the moment you sit at a table before your first hand is played. Hands that you may have been at the table for, but not dealt into, don't show hole cards that made it to showdown. You must have been dealt into the hand to be able to see all hands that aren't mucked faceup. This is a privilege having to do with online collusion.

The way various sites do showing at showdown or in all-ins does have an effect on the way a player feels... particularly the for-fun guy you're hopefully winning money from. On some sites, at cash tables the cards are not only flipped, but percentages are written and updated live on the turn and river. It adds excitement to the inevitable showdown. Some sites have gone so far into hooking the casual's interest as to play applause when you win a hand.

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