It's not a matter of justice, it's a matter of integrity. These sites need to regain trust as legitimate business, particularly if they want to be bought out by listed companies.

We're not talking about getting a speeding ticket or lying about being sick and laying out of work. This is a capital crime in poker. As I asked before, had you not been caught what would you have done? You're a thief, and thieves very rarely, if ever, wake up with a conscience and decide to stop committing what has been a profitable scam.

i'm not OP, he left long ago

But lying to your employer about being sick and thereby stealing time and money from him, is fine, right?

And then the time and money stolen from him can be spent on the internet lecturing others on what terrible morals and ethics they have.

[QUOTE=MinusEV;41449575]But lying to your employer about being sick and thereby stealing time and money from him, is fine, right?

And then the time and money stolen from him can be spent on the internet lecturing others on what terrible morals and ethics they have.[/QUOTE

Back when I was working if I called in sick I didn't get paid. So no I was not condoning stealing from one's employer. Also, didn't feel as if I was lecturing either. As I understand it most places have a certain number of sick days anyhow. I will admit to using a bad example. And if I was getting over on an employer how am I spending money by posting on a poker site? The point I continuing to emphasize is, had this player not been caught how long would his thievery continued? Perhaps if I went back over all the posts I would find that you were among the minority that stated he deserved another chance.

in theory this would work.

until he emails them telling them hes a cheat.




didn't they let some hi stakes multi accouter back?

OP letter so funny.He crushing on FT then gets himself banned.And even says give me account back and i won't cheat and if you don't give it back i'll play on my sisters or brothers account ( which is also cheating).

haha you had 3 years to make sure your email was a good one! funny how you were a break even player then suddenly crushing on FTP.. expect you probably colluded there.. kind of stupid to create this thread. If anyone sees you on any poker site you'll be soon reported and banned. You dug yourself a hole and kept digging deeper, i have sympathy for the Americans not cheats like you.

I read almost your entire post, OP. And, without reading any additional posts on this thread, I believe you should be banned for life from all poker sites.

If you didn't get caught initially, you would probably have continued cheating, and for larger amounts if you continued getting away from it.

You said they seized all your money in your accounts, which is a just punishment to go along with the lifetime ban IMO. If you had already withdrawn the stolen money, then I think criminal prosecution would be a fine replacement for seizing all the money in your account.

you read my mind :')

Karma is a b***h mate deal with it you stand by your decision you made
To cheat.

Absolutely THIS.

You almost had me too until you basically threatened/bragged that you still had the capacity to cheat once again using multiple accounts. It is with certainty that when PS read that single statement in your email, they immediately notified FTP and had you blacklisted. As well they should have. The minuscule bit of mercy I was starting to feel for you immediately turned to anger after I read that one statement. I think it was your use of the words "very easy" that ticked me off the most. You are clearly not reformed.

The entire saga reeks of immaturity, entitlement, and poor character with a lack of integrity. As someone who lives in Las Vegas, I take gaming and cheating very seriously. Personally, I think both sites were "kind" to you. Had you pulled a similar stunt like that here, you would've been 'back roomed'. Find another vocation son. Do something else with your life. Poker isn't everything. You just finished technical school you say. Do something with that certification. Make an honest living and leave all of this behind as your past.

Good luck to you.

Until the OP gives every person he cheated against the opportunity to kick him square in the nuts he should remain banned.

lol this one was amazing

Hey that kind of thing is not good you know poker stars itself is a red as russia ever was. I've had at least three big pots miss read and manymany disconnect with winning hands. What hehas done.is.not the worst look how ps handled that spain case acusing the.friend like a murder would. I say work to distroy poker stars and it social enginering cam.pain thay are like microsoft. Why do all the ept players look alike? One giantic industry of rake tell poker stars to foff . By the wayy internet poker isnot poker what poker is it were the whole board and the players hands is.per known by the dealer? It is all an illusion too, iam with the plantiff what he did was attack an oppresser , but he is wrong to say ps is the best it is the worst jist like usa let him turn on that pig in a jew suit

hey op, now you know how it feels to live in the USA!!! we're ALL banned from pokerstars and fulltilt.

so yea, it's not as bad as it sounds. you lose the two biggest poker sites but i'm sure there's plenty more to choose from. imagine if your only options were bovada and carbon poker, with the always looming threat of a "government crackdown" on them.

you got it easy....

Small or large scale, it just does not matter to me. Cheating is cheating. I think the ban should stand forever and that goes for every cheat and scumbag in the game. Can we catch them all? No, and there will always be new cheats and new forms of cheating. However, we can penalize them to the fullest degree when we do.

I think when online poker is finally legalized in the United States, and hell even now over seas, that a banishment list should be universal across the board for ALL sites and even brick and mortars. Yes, this seems like something that would be sort of hard to police world wide, but I think it is worth a shot. I also think cheaters would think twice about cheating unless they are just pulling a hit and run on the game instead of being a constant figure in the community. Punishments just have to be harsher and quit being slaps on the hands.

No game will ever be totally clean, and that goes for other games and sports besides poker. There will always be people trying to get over. However, we can clean it up as best as we can and stamp out most of it with full lifetime bans. People say people deserve a second chance....I just don't agree. I consider it a privilege to get to play this game I love and for these people to ruin the integrity and honor of the game, let alone steal from people like me and you, I just don't believe they deserve anything but total banishment. IMO

I think he's missing just what he's done.

If you see someone at the table, and he has a card up his sleeve, and he is caught, then it doesn't matter how long it has been or if he rolls up his sleeves, I have no interest in putting my chips next to his. A casino would backlist him and never question it. But because it is online, he has some skills, and he has waited awhile, he should be allowed at the table?

The casino would put a trespass warrant on him and then have security toss him, opening the door with his head.

Everyone deserves a second chance.

Just forget everything and move on and start fresh. You did wrong and I don't think its fair to give another chance.

ya man sry, you dont deserve second chance. u came @ it all wrong. after being told to wait 3 yrs u should have waited and sent a very formal request of reinstatement. not a You better reinstate me or im just gonna getcha again type as u have chosen lol. you should have been thanking your lucky stars you were still on FT but then u went and got that banned also lol. good luck onn 888 or party or whatever it is you lucky bastards can play . us US players will be over here on bovada

To the OP... Dude, have you ever heard of a guy named Pete Rose? I believe his crimes were actually a good bit less than yours.

I think you've heard the phrase, "Once a cheater, always a cheater!" Stars has a reputation to hold and if they were to let all the cheaters that were caught back on the site after 3 years then we'd all be getting screwed. I'm very much glad they barred you from FT as well.

Pretty much this. I think you're lucky to be able to play at any site and should be happy about that. A small part of me wants to say "yes! we all need forgiveness." But as a player I don't want to play with know cheaters.

move to ipoker and robb bots instead of people!