Its not the same what ZJ did was multiaccount I believe what this guy did is way worse

May I suggest you try playing on Lock?

I'm having a hard time believing this is genuine.

Speel? Really?

But if it is real, this guy deserves a Virtual Darwin Award. Gets the banhammer on Stars, starts over on Tilt, becomes successful, waits till Stars owns Tilt, then informs them of his new account. Bravo.

You were caught cheating and barred. I think you have a set of balls even coming here with this, and I hope to god pokerstars and ftp never let you back.

Move on mate, get another site. Pstars have to stick with their guns on this. U broke the rules and got the correct punishment.

all the things that everyone else said - given this place is full with poker players this is not the right place for you to look for mercy , and i will add that if stars would take you back it will cause me to be more hesitant playing there.

No they just allow endless multi accounts, less reward/rakeback levels more bucks.
Good for Stars

Pete Rose dreams of getting in the Hall of Fame too.

stop tilting , stars rock.

Well with the plan to become a poker pro not "having the time" to go over your (life changing) email is pretty bad you know?

You should always take time with anything that has to do with your career. Is it collusion or playing on a pro level you'll be communicating with others a lot via email and skype. Not having time to go over your emails is not gonna get you far...

THIS!

Rofl...

@sir_Achil,

I'm unaware if this is already pointed out (as I only read your initial post), but you really messed up on the emails in my opinion.
You mentioned that you're really dedicated to becoming a poker pro and that you would basically want to do it for a living.
Now I'm already not convinced that you could make a living out of it; 14K profit is nice, but is easily doable for any poker player with an edge over 9K games.
This aside, if you really want this as badly as you say you do, why not sent an email that would be application-material?
You should've written this email carefully and assure that you didn't sent it after all spelling and grammar mistakes were corrected.

Why didn't you just go with a more professional approach?

- Proper introduction
- Well written mid-text
- Attached old emails with your communication history with PokerStars, in which you immediately showed regret and apologized
- No grammatical/spelling errors
- Proper ending, sending your regards and signed by your own first and last name instead of your poker nick's

Also even mentioning you should be awarded your account back, because you could've just used accounts of relatives to keep playing on the network, is beyond foolish.
The fact that you're saying this probably already makes them wonder that this seriously crossed your mind and that you might even have played on other accounts.
I sure as hell wouldn't have written this if it didn't cross my mind as an option to start playing again.

By saying other stuff like: "you never gave me a chance to proof I can be a normal poker player", you're basically accusing them of this, while you're not even in the position to do so.
Should've just broken contact after your initial apology and sent a gentle, friendly email three years later without any finger pointing.

I don't understand why you attached all your story's about your FTP winnings either. How should your accomplishments in online poker be factored into their decision making?
Hey the guy that once colluded on our poker site has suddenly made a lot of money on some other poker site, let's take him back!
That's not how it works obviously, if anything I'd say it actually doesn't favor you at all saying that.

I don't know to what extend you colluded, but I think Stars made the right decision, on both declining to unfreeze your account and to restrict your from playing on FTP as well.

About that...



SharkScope shows you have been playing in April of 2013. How do you explain that? You posted this around January 2013, so you shouldn't be allowed to play, as you mentioned.
Do explain...

Think it's time to send Full Tilt an e-mail asking why this dumbass is still playing.
LOL this topic messed up his career LOL

assamed > ashamed

Overall, I think it's kind of wrong they banned you from FTP as well. I dont know why such players like Justin Bonomo and Sorel Mizzi are welcome back to these sites but not you. What they did was a lot worse and systematic I believe.

I think you do deserve a second chance, but it's not looking good after they decided to ban you from FTP as well even though it's been over 3 years since you cheated.

The overall quality of your e-mails was rather poor also. I think you should have put a bit more effort into them, and maybe ask a native English speaker check it. (Assuming you are not a native speaker)

Don't think they have any right to ban you from FTP though. Kinda weird that they did, probably the reason he's playing there again.

i'd ban everyone gloating and being rude in this thread

You really don't have any idea how difficult it can be to express yourself in a language you don't master, do you?

If nothing else, it should be pretty clear that OP is not a native English speaker and has not got a very good grasp on the language and therefore nitpicking his statements is pretty useless.

As for your points, both #1 and #2 were pretty obviously followed.

You mean something like:
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Given that the statement in the OP is correct, yes OP should get a second chance.

The reply from stars state that he admitted everything once questioned - add to that that he without being asked, gave his sn on FTP when he asked to be reinstated on stars (though he must have known the risk of doing so) and I think he deserves the benefit of doubt if he's kept his path clean for over 3 years.

I believe everyone deserves a second chance if they are truly sorry for what they did and have made good-faith efforts to repair/repay the damage they caused.

How are the rest of us to know if someone who has deceived and cheated us is truly sorry and will not repeat?

My experience, sadly, is someone who has cheated once and perhaps is genuinely sorry, will tend to cheat again, perhaps being genuinely sorry a second time.

The problem is "Who can we trust?" And I think the odds are better that we can trust someone who has been trustworthy than someone who hasn't.

Buzz

I tend to disagree - as long as we're talking about a one-time offender. Once the pattern repeats, it's obviously way more likely it's someone who can't be trusted.

There are a lot of examples of people who, once they've experienced the guilt, shame and shock of doing something wrong and then get caught and/or realize how bad what they did was, are less likely than the average person to do that something again.

We learn by making mistakes - that's not limited to accidents and things we just don't know how to do yet. Once we truly feel we've done something wrong, we are less likely to do so again in most cases. As such, someone who has made that mistake and felt the sting of it, is often less likely to do it again than someone who has yet to have that experience.

Also, someone isn't necessarily trustworthy just because they've never been caught doing something. They may just not have had the opportunity or the reason to do it yet, or, they may have done it and just not been caught. We can't tell - there's always going to be a degree of uncertainty whether or not the person has done something in the past.

Wouldnt ps want weak players more so than no name poker pros to play at their site?

no

No... With all the scandals of online poker there should be a zero tolerance policy. One strike your out. Need to play poker that bad? Head to a live game.

you deserve a life time ban on stars and full tilt and in my opinion a life time ban on every poker site...

you would be still cheating if they had never caught you!

I think you should be treated like other players who've done the same. Not sure what PS' policy is.

Personally, I think a life-time ban for cheating should be imposed (Across all online sites and major events). The fact that this isn't the case means you're already getting a 2nd chance IMO.