Well, fwiw I don't know if I could support Ojeda yet, but I take his candidacy seriously.I like the guy but dont know if he has my vote, call me ojeda curious. There are a number of issues like that where he is taking a bernie-esque approach ie bernie could be considered to the right of hillary clinton on immigration and guns. he comes from the most redneck district in wva so do you really expect him to say ban all guns now?

This isnt going to work. Im still not speaking to you MancyNaria.

i hate ojeda and i have very little respect for people who are supporting his candidacy. i think they are fools.

He's not running for president of the most redneck district in West Virginia.

Plumping for this Ojeda guy on the basis that he'll attract some Trumpkins back to the sunshine seems like a pretty bad idea.

In before his common touch leads him down the rabbit hole of racist statements.

Oh god. This dip.

The cynics will protest Steyer's presence in the field but I think we might need him to split the billionaire vote with Bloomberg so we can have a non-billionaire win.

This seems like a pretty unfair attack. As a lawyer at a big law firm, you don't get to choose the cases you work on. Pretty much any lawyer at a big law firm will have worked on cases defending some unsavory companies (these firms pretty much only do defense work, mostly for large businesses). Unless you're saying that she should have quit her job rather than take the assignment, I don't really see the criticism here.

The idea that an associate could decline an assignment because the client was a bad actor didn't take root until the early 2000s, and even then, it was pretty much limited to tobacco and it wasn't a good idea if you wanted to stay at the firm.

If we disqualify from public service everyone lawyer who represented tobacco, asbestos, big pharma, companies that committed huge financial fraud (Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, etc.), firms that provided services to the Enrons of the world (Arthur Andersen, Wall Street banks), or a Wall Street banks that issued or underwrote mortgage backed securities, then we would wipe out half the federal judiciary and probably a quarter of Congress.

How can you hate Ojeda but like AOC ?

one of them voted for trump

My interpretation of this post is: I wish he would have won his congressional race but no way I see him or want him to be president.

He was an early and vocal Bernie supporter who said he wouldn’t vote for Hillary.

This is accurate. I'm all for him running for Capito's senate seat in 2020.

-ojeda voted for trump (i'm not going to go into detail or be verbose here, but you can't just handwave that)
-i'm not convinced that anything about ojeda's supposed working class bonafides is genuine
-he referred to working class folk as "those people" while punting a question about BLM
-he claims to be pro-life
-he claims to have never voted for a D president
-he's an *******

i'm also not into this ex-military **** either

this demonstrates a pretty clear inability to think critically as well as colossally bad judgment

If your two favorite candidates for president in 2016 were Bernie and Trump (in either order), then you are a "change for the sake of change" voter. In other words, you are presumptively an idiot.

I saw Ojeda on Morning Blow last week and thought he was Erik Prince for the first half of the interview

and if the ****ing intercept is doing a profile piece on you nowadays...

I'd call that a good start, as the old joke goes.

Some other potential candidates that I saw mentioned elsewhere, but not here (that I remember):

NH Sen. Maggie Hassan
CT Sen. Chris Murphy
WA Gov. Jay Inslee

I would vote for Warren if she runs. She can hire AOS as communications director or campaign director to deal with the inevitable torrent of Republican and Russian lies. The Democratic frontrunner(s)/nominee will be attacked with flat out lies no matter what, and they will be desperate. How they handle those lies while getting their message out might be the deciding factor. OTOH, Trump might be inciting (more) violence and be under indictment or impeachment, so it might be all about getting out the anti-Trump vote again.

What this guy ^^^ said. Article says Davis Polk permitted associates to decline to work on Big Tobacco cases, yet defending Big Tobacco became Kirsten's focus. Don't give a damn if it wasn't a "good idea" for her career to decline or not ..... good people put in ****ty situations try to extract themselves from the situation, they don't gleefully roll around in the ****.....

I don't know much about Ojeda but I don't expect he's really that close to AOC politically. They may strongly overlap on worker's rights issues, but I would guess they weakly overlap on social welfare issues, economic policy, foreign policy and social justice issues. Certainly their priorities are not the same.

Maybe Ojeda is similar to Tulsi Gabbard, perhaps giving him too much credit, but maybe. And in this whole spectrum I think Bernie is closer to AOC than Ojeda or Gabbard, but he's closer to Ojeda and Gabbard than AOC is. And although AOC should not be a candidate for POTUS because of inexperience (and neither should Ojeda or Gabbard) and I'd probably prefer Bernie just because of that, I think AOC is probably > Bernie politically.

It does seem like he threw away a career here. Like everyone wouldve been good with him running around west virginia boonies yelling about how Trump is actually a con artist, he could've ran for various wva offices (and probably got one )for decades
Those are pretty disconcerting things to me too. I would be curious about the context of the "those people" quote.


This could be construed as great judgement. He realizes the establishment doesn't care about poor wva folks so he voted bernie sanders, and when it came down to hillary vs Trump he voted trump in protest. Im not saying it is good judgement, I'm just saying it could be painted that way.

I'm not totally convinced AOC and Ojeda's priorities are all that different. Ojeda was himself raised by an illegal mexican immigrant in a very toxic environment , I just think he sees the world through a different lens due to growing up rural.
Its hard for outsiders to understand west virginia, but im quite sure Ojeda had to deal with racism himself growing up.

Also Ive listned to Tulsi Gabbard and um not wanting to go there, I would just say NO ONE near congress is like Tulsi Gabbard. Shes a huge outlier.

And perhaps that's where my positive view of Ojeda stems from and everyone elses negative view of Ojeda stems from:

I *think* he has been taken way out of context. You guys are seeing some guy who says "sir, please step out of the car."
and I'm seeing someone conflicted and war torn who stands up to people like the guy you're seeing.