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Who will run against Trump in 2020? Who will run against Trump in 2020?

11-07-2018 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Nonfiction
Beto does have great experience where it counts, losing races to incredibly unlikable republican incumbents. I say run him.
texas is full of *******s who love anybody with an R next to their name

gl finding anybody who could have made it any closer
11-07-2018 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
ok first of all you're wrong as **** because he spent a ton of time on the campaign trail emphasizing that he wants to work with all texans, and campaigned in literally every single one of the 250+ counties in this state. laughably wrong to say he "didn't do any reach out to others". GFY

re: "centrist positions", you might want to read up on what he has to say about things like agriculture/land use/veterans affairs/etc, it's pretty run of the mill non-radical stuff
BRC is more or less parroting the premise of this Politico article.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...lection-222188
11-07-2018 , 11:49 AM
Are Democrats going to have to run a WASP straight male so that they can siphon off a few moderate Trump voters? Biden maybe? He can relate to the deplorables.
11-07-2018 , 11:54 AM
Losing a Senate race by 3 points in Texas is extremely good for a D. I'm not sure Beto could do better. It definitely helped down ballot.
11-07-2018 , 12:30 PM
Forget Biden, mark my words, we will see nyt or wapo articles about how Manchin is the perfect candidate.
11-07-2018 , 12:31 PM
Watched Beto last night, reminded me of a broke Obama. Definitely an upgrade over anyone not Bernie who ran last time, but we can do better.
11-07-2018 , 01:29 PM
Broke?
11-07-2018 , 03:23 PM
its gotta be Beto. i may be in an echo chamber, but my twitter feed is FULL of people that voted because of beto. not just in texas, but him going viral brought out voters EVERYWHERE.
11-07-2018 , 03:34 PM
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/6/180708...llot-democrats

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The closeness of the race has made Texas Republicans nervous. Not only because they had to stare down a competitive Senate race in deep-red Texas, but the state GOP has been worried that the energy behind O’Rourke could spur a local blue wave across Texas — a state that has a handful of competitive congressional races, half a dozen competitive state seats, and more than 70 toss-up state judicial posts on the ballot.

And we’ve already seen some signs that could be the case; Democrats unseated Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX).
dems flipped house district 7 also, as well as 2 state senate seats. butterfly effect itt
11-07-2018 , 09:48 PM
Beto is basically all you want from a candidate. Make him president imo.
11-08-2018 , 12:01 AM
yeah gotta run the guy who lost a popularity contest to ted cruz
11-08-2018 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
yeah gotta run the guy who lost a popularity contest to ted cruz
lol well, the deck was stacked pretty heavily against him there.
11-08-2018 , 12:06 AM
Is Hakeem Jeffries too obscure?
11-08-2018 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
Are Democrats going to have to run a WASP straight male so that they can siphon off a few moderate Trump voters? Biden maybe? He can relate to the deplorables.
Yea, because Trump voters are certainly going to rush out and vote for the guy who was Obama's vice president for eight years.
11-08-2018 , 09:57 AM
the dem establishment's main goal in 2020 is defeating the left, not trump.

beto's concession speech the other night on a dark and dimly lit stage signifies they don't want him as the nominee, although if he gets his mind right and starts accepting big donor pac money they might reconsider. warren will for sure be out because she is too tough on corruption and wall street, and bernie is the ultimate villain because he wants medicare for all.

the superdelegates will ensure their nominee is a hillary replicant with refined algorithms designed to maintain the status quo (which will ironically be trump's america) in a grotesque nod to corporate bothsides centrism. it won't matter to them if this approach guarantees four more years of trump as long as the system that enriches them is preserved and the left is defeated.

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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
Are Democrats going to have to run a WASP straight male so that they can siphon off a few moderate Trump voters? Biden maybe? He can relate to the deplorables.
the only candidate that can create a coalition of the left and right working-class along with independents, progressives, and some trump supporters is bernie (beto vp?). he is the only person who can beat trump in the rust belt (see 2016 primary) and would actually fight for the people since all his money comes solely from the grassroots.

the democrat's belief in center-right centrism combined with decades of neoliberal anti-working-class policies and trade deals are directly behind the hopeless gridlock which has led directly to trump. nominating people like biden or harris who subscribe to this ideology will only end up giving trump the ammo he needs to win the election.
11-08-2018 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Bernie would crush, imo. Maybe not in running up the score but he would put a stranglehold on the key Midwest states that flipped back blue these midterms to seal a win.
Yup, yup. Unleash the Bern and I bet he can put Ohio back in play, too. MI, WI, PA, and don't forget that MN was damn close in 16. Dems wouldn't even necessarily need to worry about FL or NC so much if it's too hard for them there.

If the Dems punt the Midwest they are making themselves a minority party. For better or worse you cannot obtain enough seats in congress, or sufficient electoral votes to win the Presidency, unless your platform and party have sufficient appeal in enough states.
11-08-2018 , 10:08 AM
Dems has a lot of big gains in the Midwest, it’s definitely winnable territory for them.
11-08-2018 , 10:34 AM
Dems need kasich to run independent. That locks up ohio. Really should just pour money his way.
11-08-2018 , 10:37 AM
Should dems really go all in on the Midwest and **** the southern swing states ?

I’m not as well versed as you guys, im just asking in a non rhetorical manner.
11-08-2018 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
Should dems really go all in on the Midwest and **** the southern swing states ?

I’m not as well versed as you guys, im just asking in a non rhetorical manner.
Not all in, but there are few paths to victory that don’t include at least one Midwest state, and I think places like WI, MI, and even OH or PA are gettable.
11-08-2018 , 10:51 AM
PA is more than gettable, it was a D stronghold for over a generation until Trump NARROWLY turned it. Dems did very well, and the new electoral map definitely helped.

As an encouraging sign the Supreme Court twice declined to hear appeals from PA Republicans who wanted to throw out the new map.
11-08-2018 , 10:56 AM
PA is an easy get with Bernie, imo.

Regarding the Midwest generally.

Someone who doesn’t seem to care about you (Hillary) < someone who pretends to care a lot even though you may be suspicious he is trying to con you (Trump)<<<<<<<<<<<<<< someone who actually cares a lot (Bernie)

I mean racism will still make it a little closer than it should be, but still think he is a lock.
11-08-2018 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
You are AIDSing on Beto and not taking seriously the consequences of not winning the next presidential election is four more years of Trump.

I like the suggestion of o’rourke ending up as vp on the ticket. But lol being against a strongly qualified candidate with great intangibles because he is a white male. That is loopy.

Also you know like 30% of America is super racist and sexist.

I think we don’t actually give Obama the credit he deserves in his ability to get elected twice. We have already seen that it was a much, much, much bigger feat than assumed at the time and while he was in office.

If you want to argue against o’rourke in his merits fine but choosing to be against him because he is a white guy is crazy.
I have been very explicit and clear that I am not against someone for being a "white male," (I have no qualms for those that support Bernie, for example) but that I don't consider being a white male a "great intangible." Again, I am tempering my language here!
11-08-2018 , 02:30 PM
Bern/Beto does that ticket work?

Feel the BERN and BETOn a winner!!!!!

Yes Bernie is an old but one of the only guys who can still actually deliver some kind of speech that gets the people going. Beto offsets the old, brings youth to the team like Rodgers sitting behind Favre.

HUCK IT CHUCK IT FOOTBALL!
11-08-2018 , 02:38 PM
Beto would be a solid VP pick for Bern because I think many of us would feel comfortable with Beto taking over if Bern gets a case of the olds too much.

      
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