Who will run against Trump in 2020? - Page 58 - Politics and Economics

I thought the controversy wasn't so much whether or not she was 1/256th Cherokee, but that she used that fact to get into Rutgers and land a sweet appointment at Harvard. Ancestry.com can't say anything about how she gamed the system to get tenure.

Doesn't Trump brag about how he has gamed the system in any way he could? Using your ancestry in a legal way to get a job certainly doesn't seem worse to me than a millionaire declaring bankruptcy several times.

10-15-2018 , 07:30 PM

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meanwhile democratic 2020 frontrunner Joe Biden is busy

giving the bush family medals for commitment to veterans.
Joseph Biden would present Laura and George W. Bush the Liberty Medal “for their commitment to veterans.”

Like giving the saudis a medal for interrogation safety.

10-15-2018 , 07:34 PM

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Speaking of the Saudis, I hope relations continue to go south with them. They're the country we should have bombed and taken out the government after 9/11 instead of Iraq. They were never really our friends, don't even have a psuedo democracy, and Bin Laden and almost all of the hijackers were Saudi.

10-15-2018 , 07:38 PM

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Cool story bro. Avenatti now owes Trump legal fees.

10-15-2018 , 08:25 PM

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Cool story bro. Avenatti now owes Trump legal fees.

What is it that Fast Eddie Felton says ..."Money won is twice as sweet as money earned!"

10-15-2018 , 08:59 PM

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ScreaminAsian

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Am I right in thinking there's no high-profile Dem Trump would rather face, given how he roused hatred of Hillary even (especially?) among women voters?

yeah america hates women and they'll unquestioningly believe any made-up bull**** conservative media throws out there.

10-15-2018 , 09:11 PM

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Pains me to say as Warren is probably my favorite politician, but this seems like a blunder to me.

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But more importantly, it solidifies the first association people have with Warren as this Native American thing rather than as a progressive or as a fighter for the working class or whatever. Remember, most people still have only a vague idea of who she is, at best.

Man, you guys are really not giving Warren enough credit here. I think it's a smart routine: use the DNA thing as a cheap draw and then when the crowd is paying attention she starts working the middle-class dinner-table politics angle that she's known for. And of course do the student debt move, that's a huge hit with younger viewers.

10-15-2018 , 10:48 PM

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Avenatti as Dem nominee is one of those tipping point events that would make me go Seinfeld.gif on the USofA.

10-15-2018 , 11:58 PM

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Even funnier was the notion that Warren had somehow dunked on her critics by publicizing this.

10-16-2018 , 12:17 AM

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chymey, it actually isn't very clever when you show up to post the exact dumb **** people were predicting you were going to post 12 hours ago.

10-16-2018 , 12:20 AM

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Avenatti as Dem nominee is one of those tipping point events that would make me go Seinfeld.gif on the USofA.

You're not already there?

10-16-2018 , 12:25 AM

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You're not already there?

I mean for real, like I stop voting, paying attention to politics, and probably pack up and move out of the country.

10-16-2018 , 04:22 PM

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I thought this was a really good piece on Warren's DNA thing.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/...plete-disaster

I don't think I'd go as far as saying that it disqualifies her, but I agree that it reflects terrible strategy and also that she's not entirely guilt free, even if Republican critics are acting in completely bad faith (which, obviously). Some good quotes:

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But Warren did do something wrong here: she is not a Native American, but she identified herself as a “Native American” in the The Association of American Law Schools Directory of law professors between 1986 and 1995, and Harvard recorded her as Native American as late as 2004. At the University of Pennsylvania, she identified herself as a racial minority. She was described in the Fordham Law Review in 1997 as Harvard Law School’s first “woman of color.” Warren even contributed to a cookbook called Pow Wow Chow: A Collection of Recipes from Families of the Five Civilized Tribes: Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek & Seminole, where she listed herself as “Cherokee.” (Inexplicably, so did Warren’s husband Bruce Mann, who has even less of a claim than Warren.)

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I just want to first make clear why I do think this is a significant issue, even if Republicans care about it only for completely opportunistic reasons. It is wrong to claim an oppressed identity if you do not actually have that identity. Warren has reinforced incorrect conceptions of what it means to be Native American, saying at one point that she “knew her grandfather was ‘part’ Cherokee because ‘he had high cheekbones like all of the Indians.'” Warren has focused much of her defense on proving that she did not get hired or promoted at Harvard because of her claim to Native ancestry, calling many prominent law professors as witnesses. But her claim still allowed Harvard to pat itself on the back for diversity that it did not actually have, touting her as a woman of color. This makes it more difficult for actual Native women to succeed: if Harvard believes it has a Native American law professor, when it doesn’t, then it will not feel pressured to create an opportunity for an actual Native American law professor, even if Warren was hired solely because of her contributions to bankruptcy law scholarship.

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There’s also something a little disturbing about the way Warren has defended herself by insisting that she didn’t benefit from affirmative action. A Warren spokesperson asked about the claim replied that “at every law school where Elizabeth was recruited to teach, it has been made absolutely clear she was hired based on merit; on her accomplishments and ability.” Warren herself said: “I am a hard-working teacher, I have won teaching awards, I’ve written books that have won acclaim.” I don’t doubt this is true. But I don’t like this framing, because it adopts the conservative line on affirmative action: some people are hired based on “merit” and other people are racial quota hires who do not have “merit.” Warren wants to prove that, unlike someone who was hired in part for their Native ancestry, she was hired solely on her Merit. To me, that insults anyone whose race factored into a hiring decision.

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In addition to everything else, this just shows horrible political instincts on Warren’s part. A few weeks before a mid-term election, she has handed the Republicans a news cycle, by doubling down on an indefensible claim and needlessly drawing attention to Donald Trump’s rhetoric. She has offended Native Americans and hurt the Democratic Party, and done so completely of her own volition. Looking at 2020 prospects, I have long been worried about Warren’s political skill—after all, she nearly lost an election to a Republican in Massachusetts. But this shows that she will fall right into Trump’s traps, and produce counterproductive own-goals.

It's a really good article.

10-16-2018 , 04:29 PM

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Warren has focused much of her defense on proving that she did not get hired or promoted at Harvard because of her claim to Native ancestry, calling many prominent law professors as witnesses. But her claim still allowed Harvard to pat itself on the back for diversity that it did not actually have, touting her as a woman of color. This makes it more difficult for actual Native women to succeed: if Harvard believes it has a Native American law professor, when it doesn’t, then it will not feel pressured to create an opportunity for an actual Native American law professor, even if Warren was hired solely because of her contributions to bankruptcy law scholarship.

This is the real problem with Warren's behavior, which you'd never see pointed out from the right since they don't actually believe in affirmative action

10-16-2018 , 04:48 PM

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I pointed it out in the other thread, goofy, by sharing @rebeccanagle 's timeline

10-16-2018 , 04:55 PM

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I pointed it out in the other thread, goofy, by sharing @rebeccanagle 's timeline

Uhh...

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that's a good tweet thread...but it does nothing to change this fact:

having a native american ancestor 6- to 10- generations ago doesn't make one a minority, as Warren has described herself.

Separately, I don't believe for a second that you would actually care about cultural appropriation when a liberal Democrat candidate is doing it

but for people who do, read Rebecca Nagle's timeline

You did share that woman's (lone, not part of a thread) tweet but you did not show her making this same point, at all. Which makes sense, because it's not a point you believe in or care about! You're conservative, you don't think diversity is a value or that providing Harvard with fake diversity cover is actually a problem. I don't even see that point being made on this woman's timeline (she has a ****load of tweets but searching "Harvard" I see no results)

10-16-2018 , 05:15 PM

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Julian Castro likely running, should be interesting seeing how far left he will play it.

10-16-2018 , 08:47 PM

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The DNA test might be the dumbest blunder ever for a Democratic presidential hopeful, and that's saying something given Monkey Business, Dukakis' helmet, Dean's yahooing, and Mondale using a burger commercial as a campaign slogan.

Besides the surface absurdity that she is basically responding to a juvenile insult with lab results...

Equating racial issues with genetics is the sort of thing I'm pretty sure is bad.

10-17-2018 , 09:35 PM

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how come Klobuchar’s name doesnt come up more? she was the most impressive senator at the Kav hearings imo. Dont know her background or political bent, but she’s way more charismatic/smart/well spoken than alot of the early names

10-17-2018 , 09:52 PM

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Cool story bro. Avenatti now owes Trump legal fees.

Isn't Avenatti ahead in the count, tho? Got the $130k plus the NDA waived.

10-18-2018 , 01:11 AM

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I 100% disagree with this. I saw her interview after Ms. Ford was asked questions and thought she lacked charisma and knowledge about the issue. To add, I don't get the love for Booker - he seems opportunistic and ingenuine.

Harris checks all the boxes for me though. I also haven't heard anything about Sen. Durbin and the Kavanaugh hearings even though he brought the most fire out of anyone.

10-18-2018 , 01:53 AM

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Minnesota here. She is loved, but no one quite knows why. She definitely doesn’t do anything offensive and largely stays under the radar.

I really don’t see a Presidential run in her. She should just God mode that senate seat until her death. NO REPUBLICAN WILL EVER BEAT HER. PERIOD.

10-18-2018 , 01:57 AM

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Durbin's good but he's establishment to run now people want new--he's been in congress since 1982, senate since 1996. He's also more of a moderate since he's an old dem. Biden has similar platform and the name recognition he doesn't (but hey durbin is also not creepy as all hell).

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