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Who will run against Trump in 2020? Who will run against Trump in 2020?

10-15-2018 , 07:54 AM
So, I guess this means Warren's running.

10-15-2018 , 08:08 AM
I hope we don't fall for her BS....she has clearly stated where she stands on the issues that matter. She is literally telling us that she can't be trusted.

10-15-2018 , 08:33 AM
**** your planned economies and **** your naivete re: human nature. and **** your hating on beto, the most progressive politician in the country.

in short, just shut the **** up and stop polluting every goddamn thread with your complete bull****
10-15-2018 , 08:48 AM


100% all in on Warren at this point, let’s ****ing go

lol einbert
10-15-2018 , 08:53 AM
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beto, the most progressive politician in the country.
Getting harder and harder to tell what's liberals and what's just straight up satire at this point.
10-15-2018 , 08:55 AM
Doesn't everyone in the US pretty much have native american ancestry?

My frame of reference comes from the fact that the Simpsons did an episode on it.
10-15-2018 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Uncle Joe's Greatest Hits:

Joe Biden Backed Bills To Make It Harder For Americans To Reduce Their Student Debt
https://www.ibtimes.com/joe-biden-ba...t-debt-2094664

Biden: ‘Not At All’ Ashamed of 1994 Clinton Crime Bill
https://freebeacon.com/politics/bide...94-crime-bill/

Anita Hill and her 1991 congressional defenders to Joe Biden: You were part of the problem
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.7ef6e42ac6b9
10-15-2018 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Getting harder and harder to tell what's liberals and what's just straight up satire at this point.
https://betofortexas.com/issues/

EAD
10-15-2018 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueWillow
Doesn't everyone in the US pretty much have native american ancestry?

My frame of reference comes from the fact that the Simpsons did an episode on it.
I think there’s a substantial amount of error in these tests, not that it really matters much here.

It’s too bad she didn’t do this when ikes was all-in trying to make a big deal out of this “scandal.”
10-15-2018 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueWillow
Doesn't everyone in the US pretty much have native american ancestry?

My frame of reference comes from the fact that the Simpsons did an episode on it.
People whose roots go back more than a few generations probably do, but 30% of the population is 1st or 2nd generation.
10-15-2018 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
Platform looks good but he hasn't been elected yet. As far as it goes, I hope he beats Ted Cruz. Once he has a voting record there will be a lot more to confirm or deny his progressive creds. But nowhere on that page do I see anything about the fact that we have to dismantle capitalism in order to save the environment. The new UN report indicates clearly that we only have a few years to act or the human race will go extinct, and quite frankly his response is less than adequate.

I toured the Arctic Sunrise yesterday, one of the Greenpeace ships. They let us know about their recent work in the Pacific Garbage Patch, and they were quite clear: recycling will not save us. Renewable energy will not save us either, nor will market incentives. Only if the biggest corporations stop producing single-use plastics will we be saved. And do we think they are going to do that voluntarily? We are talking about some of the biggest corporations in the world--for example Coca Cola, Pepsi, and Nestle. So I don't think Beto's platform is sufficient to address the needs of our time, no.

https://betofortexas.com/issue/energy/
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Energy and the Environment
It is crucial now more than ever that the U.S. and world leaders act urgently to address the issue of climate change. We must ensure the funding and independence of organizations like the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) so that they can provide necessary climate science research.

Other steps we can take to promote energy and environmental reforms include:

Enacting comprehensive energy reform that optimizes the uses of current energy sources while incentivizing the innovation of new and renewable sources of energy.
Rejoining the Paris Climate Accords.
Empowering the EPA to exercise oversight of those harming the environment, particularly drilling, fracking, and pipeline construction.
Supporting stronger land-use policies in Texas.
10-15-2018 , 09:23 AM
Once he has a voting record? You realize what his job now is, right?
10-15-2018 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Platform looks good but he hasn't been elected yet. As far as it goes, I hope he beats Ted Cruz. Once he has a voting record there will be a lot more to confirm or deny his progressive creds. But nowhere on that page do I see anything about the fact that we have to dismantle capitalism in order to save the environment. The new UN report indicates clearly that we only have a few years to act or the human race will go extinct, and quite frankly his response is less than adequate.

I toured the Arctic Sunrise yesterday, one of the Greenpeace ships. They let us know about their recent work in the Pacific Garbage Patch, and they were quite clear: recycling will not save us. Renewable energy will not save us either, nor will market incentives. Only if the biggest corporations stop producing single-use plastics will we be saved. And do we think they are going to do that voluntarily? We are talking about some of the biggest corporations in the world--for example Coca Cola, Pepsand Nestle. So I don't think Beto's platform is sufficient to address the needs of our time, no.

https://betofortexas.com/issue/energy/
bro he's already a house rep

and i'm not gonna do this whole communism v capitalism back and forth thing itt with you. i think something in trump getting elected broke the **** out of your brain and your views are downright idiotic at this point. not to mention hopeless and annoying.
10-15-2018 , 09:27 AM
i mean for real einbert had like a several-month hiatus and now poconoder has been MIA for a while, are we sure his account didn't get co-opted and somebody isn't having a bunch of fun with us?
10-15-2018 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark


100% all in on Warren at this point, let’s ****ing go

lol einbert
I'm on board for the lol einbert, but I'm not at all convinced this DNA test is good politics. How exactly does this message get delivered on the campaign trail?

"Hey Donald. Don't make fun of my Native American ancestry. I feel very connected to my great-great-great-great-great grandparent who was Native American."

That's never going to work. Only about 20% of the country cares about Native American slurs. And given how distant the connection is, a huge chunk of the electorate will see this as an attempt to double down on a dubious claim of Native American ancestry.
10-15-2018 , 09:59 AM
Really glad to hear that the dems are locked and loaded with 21st century race science! 2020 is going to be great.
10-15-2018 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm on board for the lol einbert, but I'm not at all convinced this DNA test is good politics. How exactly does this message get delivered on the campaign trail?

"Hey Donald. Don't make fun of my Native American ancestry. I feel very connected to my great-great-great-great-great grandparent who was Native American."

That's never going to work. Only about 20% of the country cares about Native American slurs. And given how distant the connection is, a huge chunk of the electorate will see this as an attempt to double down on a dubious claim of Native American ancestry.
The Pocohontas thing is literally the only line of attack Trump has on her. They’ve put all their eggs into one basket and now they’re going to have to come up with a new reason they hate her.

It’s a fun mic drop that embarrasses Trump.I do agree that this shouldn’t be a substitute for bread-and-butter politics, but I think Warren does that sort of thing quite well.
10-15-2018 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
Really glad to hear that the dems are locked and loaded with 21st century race science! 2020 is going to be great.
The fun part will be watching Republicans double down and start questioning this whole “DNA” thing as Soros-funded liberal fake science.
10-15-2018 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm on board for the lol einbert, but I'm not at all convinced this DNA test is good politics. How exactly does this message get delivered on the campaign trail?

"Hey Donald. Don't make fun of my Native American ancestry. I feel very connected to my great-great-great-great-great grandparent who was Native American."

That's never going to work. Only about 20% of the country cares about Native American slurs. And given how distant the connection is, a huge chunk of the electorate will see this as an attempt to double down on a dubious claim of Native American ancestry.
I doubt most people would take it that way. Her story is her mom told her she is part Cherokee or whatever. Republicans were accusing her of just brazenly lying. This test makes her story entirely plausible which is all she needs.
10-15-2018 , 10:31 AM
i was kinda "ehh" about the whole video but then they played the clip of him pledging to donate $1M and i was like "oohhhhhh snap"

and i mean, i cant hate on her for wanting to tell her family's story....although it seemed to be cut more from the same "appeal to quote unquote moderate republicans" cloth than about actually highlighting injustice/racism/misogyny
10-15-2018 , 10:38 AM
That's fair, the real point to be made is that it's ridiculous to mock people for how they identify, whether that's religion, race, gender, sexuality, etc. It's ****ing regressive as hell to demean people for how they feel about themselves.

Last edited by champstark; 10-15-2018 at 10:38 AM. Reason: unless they are bigots, of course, then feel free
10-15-2018 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by surftheiop
You genuinely think Biden would get beat by Trump? Literally anyone except Hillary could have beat Trump last time and his presidential approval is really bad. Tons of folks voted purely against the clintons and Biden is not a Clinton so he easily wins IMO.
Biden decided not to run in 2016 because he was getting waffle-crushed by Hillary f-in Clinton in every poll. He's a boring center-right old white guy with multiple failed presidential bids that garnered precisely zero enthusiasm. NO THANKS.
10-15-2018 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The Pocohontas thing is literally the only line of attack Trump has on her. They’ve put all their eggs into one basket and now they’re going to have to come up with a new reason they hate her.
It's the only slur (Only slur, so far, I should say. I'm sure Trump will get around to calling her an old hag at some point). It's not the only line of attack. I assume the main line of attack will be the usual establishment trope about how she will ruin the economy with overregulation and overtaxation.

Any candidate who promises to overturn the economic status quo is very beholden to the economy.

If the economy is doing OK in 2020, a candidate like Warren or Bernie won't have a prayer in a general election imo. People will be too afraid to upset the apple cart. If the economy is in shambles, their odds would go way up.

This phenomenon applies to any non-incumbent, of course, but I think it is especially true for economic reform candidates like Warren and Bernie.
10-15-2018 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
It's the only slur (Only slur, so far, I should say. I'm sure Trump will get around to calling her an old hag at some point). It's not the only line of attack. I assume the main line of attack will be the usual establishment trope about how she will ruin the economy with overregulation and overtaxation.

Any candidate who promises to overturn the economic status quo is very beholden to the economy.

If the economy is doing OK in 2020, a candidate like Warren or Bernie won't have a prayer in a general election imo. People will be too afraid to upset the apple cart. If the economy is in shambles, their odds would go way up.

This phenomenon applies to any non-incumbent, of course, but I think it is especially true for economic reform candidates like Warren and Bernie.
Hmm. I don't think Warren would be affected by this as much as Bernie. The perception of her just isn't the same. Bernie is portrayed as this crazy old socialist who is basically einbert in 50 years. Warren is known for her strong views on student debt and the CFPB--the narrative is not the same, despite their economic policies being pretty similar.

      
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