Who will run against Trump in 2020? - Page 52 - Politics and Economics

good post.(edit: JoltinJake) if there was a younger candidate with Sanders' politics, positions and record, that person would be the runaway obvious choice. there isn't, so while it's far from idea, an elderly demsoc > crappy "progressives" who are barely any better than the awful Dem status quo.

if people think Bernie leftists are going to come out strong behind someone like Kamala Harris

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they are going to be unpleasantly surprised

Reminds me of when people would blow Joe Kennedy III from MA as our new savior. Dude is not that liberal on much of anything and you could tell his cheerleaders did not take any time to research him.

I never quite understood the love for Harris outside of her being a minority female. No one has articulated policy wise how she'll energize the base.

07-26-2018 , 07:05 PM

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Kamala is as good as a prosecutor for three strikes who thinks abolishing ICE would be ridiculous could possibly be. She's a co-sponsor on Bernie's medicare for all bill.

07-26-2018 , 07:14 PM

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It's not as if Bernie is 100% liberal on every issue (check his record on gun control). bfd if a former prosecutor is more lock-em-up than I'd prefer.

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I never quite understood the love for Harris outside of her being a minority female. No one has articulated policy wise how she'll energize the base.

Healthcare, immigration, minimum wage, abortion, gun control etc. etc.

07-26-2018 , 07:25 PM

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It's not as if Bernie is 100% liberal on every issue (check his record on gun control). bfd if a former prosecutor is more lock-em-up than I'd prefer.

Healthcare, immigration, minimum wage, abortion, gun control etc. etc.

I'm not 100% liberal on every issue, but in the country that has the most people in prison in the world and probably per capita - maybe not counting NK - being on the lock-em-up side is pretty damn bad. Anyway, big issue for me, but still I won't even have to hold my nose to vote for her in the general if it ends up going down like that.

07-26-2018 , 07:44 PM

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Incidentally, like 80%+ of the "Berniebros" turned out and voted for Hillary ****ing Clinton in the general and the rest were either anime weirdos or Einberts who were never going to be reliable Democratic voters. This meme that Hillary lost because of insufficiently loyal Berniebros has always been bull****.

All Dems need is someone slightly better than Hillary. Booker is fine, Gillenbrand is fine, Harris is fine.

07-26-2018 , 07:52 PM

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Well, that's all they need for you and I to vote for them. I think I've voted in every single election (at least the even years - maybe not every local thing) since 1988. The Dems need at least some voters who aren't a lock to show up and vote for whoever they throw up there.

07-26-2018 , 07:53 PM

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Booker is fine, Gillenbrand is fine, Harris is fine.

But we can do better.

07-26-2018 , 07:54 PM

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Why is a candidate being old considered such a negative anyway? Based on the last election, being old is certainly no impediment to being elected.

07-26-2018 , 07:57 PM

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Being old is a problem if you're Trump and your brain resembles Swiss Cheese, but HRC, Bernie, Warren are all fine. My governor Jerry Brown is older than any of them and he's totally with it.

07-26-2018 , 07:58 PM

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To be clear, I only meant Harris/Gillibrand/Booker don't seem that great for the primary, and I personally prefer someone like Warren, despite her age.

I agree they would all be fine as the nominee against Trump.

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07-26-2018 , 08:21 PM

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I remember my gran, who was an elderly white Mormon in Salt Lake City, voted Obama because she thought McCain was too old. That always blew my mind.

But yeah, younger than 70 would be a plus.

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The Dems need at least some voters who aren't a lock to show up and vote for whoever they throw up there.

Those voters aren't hardcore leftist berniebros, they're largely apolitical Joe Sixpack types who care about bread-and-butter issues like healthcare and wages. Give them something to vote for other than "Trump sucks" and they'll show up.

07-26-2018 , 09:32 PM

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My thoughts exactly. Harris reeeeeally sucks. I have no idea who I'm supporting in the primary but I'm sure I'm going to be fading the **** out of Harris. Of course, if she does win the primary though, I'm all in for her.

07-26-2018 , 10:37 PM

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I've said this before, but I don't think specific ideology or policies are the things that really bring in these voters. People are looking to be moved. Bernie, Obama, AOC inspire people who are looking to have a little solidarity around making the world a better place, including those who have been excluded and helping those in need. Hippies. Trump brings in people who aren't driven by policy, but by pretty much the opposite sentiments. A candidate who is a genuine, honest, good person who clearly means well is the thing Dems need and the perfect opponent for Trump.

07-27-2018 , 09:39 AM

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I'm not 100% liberal on every issue

Well now I'm curious...

07-27-2018 , 10:18 AM

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Well now I'm curious...

There's a conflict between personal freedoms/civil liberties and government power and, more than most liberals, I like/am concerned about freedom. So, I'm on the libertarian spectrum except not the phony Koch bros American version. I'm at least an anarchy sympathizer if not an anarchist and want limits on all concentrations of power. Unlike American libertarians I include private power there as well as government.

As long as there's not coercion though I'm personally very socialistic. I've lived in co-ops and liked it and I've been trying to form work co-ops.

07-27-2018 , 10:22 AM

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Definitely a tension there between those beliefs and certainly something I've thought a lot about without coming to a happy reconciliation, in my mind at least.

07-27-2018 , 05:40 PM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/07/27/sen-elizabeth-warren-responds-to-our-invitation-to-discuss-policy-part-1/

Elizabeth Warren describing her policy positions on a "center-right" (self described) blog. From the comments section:

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I wasn't going to read this article because I'm always confused by the economy. I'm so glad I did because Elizabeth Warren wrote in a clear, simple, and succinct form so that I actually understood what she was saying.

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I am a moderate that has voted for both parties over the years (prefer mixed party control of Congress and President). I assume that Sen Warren had some far left ideas. Many of her thoughts are reasonable and I do agree with some of them. I didn’t think I would.

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I was not a big Warren fan until reading this article. I feared she was too far left. I'm re-thinking now.

Warren will win in 2020 if she runs. And she's been putting in a lot more national work over the last month than would be reasonable for someone simply trying to win a statewide election. Might as well lock this thread up.

07-27-2018 , 05:58 PM

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It can't be stated enough that the campaign to smear Warren as some extremist was complete bull****, and it really annoys me when I hear people on the left parrot that bull****.

07-30-2018 , 11:54 AM

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Lol this guy thinks he’s way more popular than he is. Tone it down there lawyer dude.

07-30-2018 , 12:11 PM

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Lol this guy thinks he’s way more popular than he is. Tone it down there lawyer dude.

although i think avanti is a blithering imbecile it seems he is correct in this thought. did not that young woman in n.y. just take out one of the top 5 dems in the house by basically going door to door?

07-30-2018 , 12:14 PM

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Avenatti isn't wrong with anything in that statement.

However, if he thinks that he is the one to be representing this new generation, then no.

07-30-2018 , 03:38 PM

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Andrew Cuomo 2020 ad just appeared in a social media feed. LOL at that happening, but God help us all if he is the Democratic candidate.

07-30-2018 , 03:54 PM

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Andrew Cuomo, ugh. Warren would be great. She could even push the line of, "I used to be a Republican, but then I put myself through school as a divorced single mother, eventually becoming a law professor who studied how GOP policies screw over workers."

07-30-2018 , 04:31 PM

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Thats a pretty lol headline: “Young voters looking for younger candidates.” Looking at what the actual article says:

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About two-thirds of the young people in the poll say they are extremely or very excited to vote for a candidate who cares about the issues that affect them and their generation, including the economy, gun policy and equal rights, along with immigration and health care. Although most say they’d be at least moderately excited to vote for younger, nonwhite and female candidates, those characteristics don’t generate as much excitement as someone who shares their political views.

It’s pretty clear that they aren’t particularly motivated by how old a candidate is. What they want is someone with more progressive policy views. Which should have obvious to anyone who watched youngsters rally around a crotchety old guy.

Basically if you think Millenials are hyped up for Chelsea 2020, I’ve got some bad news for you.

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07-31-2018 , 08:59 AM

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What the hell is your major malfunction here? He agrees with 90% of what Sanders/Warren are advocating but he's not "liberal" enough? GEEEEZZZZ

This is the classic litmus test BS that's going to get Trump re-elected.

Take his 90% progressive stances. He has walked the progressive walk his whole life. It's real, not BS. Kennedy can appeal to those white voters in Michigan, Penn and Wisconsin. He can beat Trump.

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