Who will run against Trump in 2020? - Page 35 - Politics and Economics

It's revolting, but I'm sure you are correct that being a woman cost HRC a few percentage points.

If HRC lost because she was a woman and not because of her policies, then there is even less reason to believe that a progressive candidate would outperform a conventional candidate in the next general election.

By the way, I'm not saying that it's impossible for a progressive candidate to win in 2020. 2020 is a rare chance for someone like Bernie to win, even if I think he would be drawing much thinner than a more conventional candidate.

03-11-2018 , 07:42 PM

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Partisans vote for their party and that includes almost all the people who vote. The election is decided by the people who could vote either way or more often just stay home. The assumption that these people are extremely moderate and just can't make up their minds between Republicans and Democrats and that splitting the difference is a winner is not good.

And the one thing that Dems could probably moderate themselves on to attract votes is if they go kinda sorta racist and that's not a very attractive option is it?

03-11-2018 , 08:03 PM

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And the one thing that Dems could probably moderate themselves on to attract votes is if they go kinda sorta racist and that's not a very attractive option is it?

I'm not arguing for the Democrats to tack to the right if we take Obama's policies as the starting point, and I'm certainly not arguing for Democrats to be more racist.

But I don't think a significant turn to the left from Obama is likely to be a winning strategy.

I certainly could be wrong. I never dreamed that Trump could win.

03-11-2018 , 08:21 PM

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Eh. I think whether the candidate is liked as a person is so much more important than policy specifics that it's not worth much effort talking about exactly how left-right someone is without even having a person to attach it to - as a matter of strategy anyway.

The Dems need public movement on social issues a little. Hopefully someone basically saying that racism and sexism are real doesn't keep them from winning enough of these people who are on the fence about voting at all.

03-12-2018 , 02:15 AM

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Let Garcetti run and be elected Governor of Calif. Until he does, he's a nonentity. If he can't beat Gavin Newsome, he's a nonentity. Newsome's so charismatic that he couldn't even convince his wife to share his views.

Garcetti isn't running for CA governor. Former LA mayor Antonio Villaraigosa is.

04-16-2018 , 09:26 AM

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I was only able to watch 2 minutes of James Comey an ABC last night. But that was long enough to notice that he has a slight orange hue to his face and he is starting to develop those anus-like eye holes that Trump has. Then I was filled with the revolting premonition that the Democrats are going to find some way to nominate this piece of ****.

04-18-2018 , 10:05 AM

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Sanders will not win a general election. We will be stuck with Trump for another 4 years.

The worst Dem candidate will be better than Trump. The Dem candidate that believes 80%-90% of what Sanders believes can beat Trump.

People need to make hard choices. These people who insist that a candidate must have all these progressive views or no candidate is worthy is choosing Trump.

04-18-2018 , 04:11 PM

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https://twitter.com/SenSanders/statu...20501773733888

04-18-2018 , 04:36 PM

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Sanders/B 2020!

04-18-2018 , 10:30 PM

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https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/st...63639867695104

04-18-2018 , 10:41 PM

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04-23-2018 , 11:57 AM

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Eric Holder said on TDS that he's considering running. Expect Fast and Furious to become the new Bengazi.

04-23-2018 , 12:33 PM

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It would be a really good idea for Eric Holder to run for president.

04-29-2018 , 12:07 PM

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lol remember https://youtu.be/7VbHUI1R3IA?t=158

05-17-2018 , 05:18 PM

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https://twitter.com/kkondik/status/9...170920960?s=19

If this happens, I will be betting the farm on Bernie to win the primary (he's +456 on predictit right now).

05-17-2018 , 07:20 PM

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I'm really liking this Beto O'Rourke guy. Been following him on Twitter and in the news for a while now. If he unseats Ted Cruz (which is a pretty heavy lift, no question) then I think he's got a great shot at the potus nom for 2020, assuming he goes after it, of course. If he loses, then it's a longer shot but I kinda think he can still get there.

He's definitely someone Dems should get behind. Young, progressive, charismatic, good background, the list goes on and on.

05-17-2018 , 07:25 PM

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Just looked at the political views section on his Wikipedia page. Seems legit.

05-17-2018 , 07:31 PM

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The only thing here, and I guess it isn't going to keep him from running if he wants to, is that it would massively suck to flip a senate seat in Texas blue and then give it up two years into the term.

05-17-2018 , 07:38 PM

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Yes I agree with you. And if it was anyone but Trump in the White House I'd say hey, just let the guy wait until 2024 to gain seasoning and build his profile. But these are not normal times. By 2024 Trump might have abolished term limits or some ****.

Plus I really feel like if he got the nom he could take Trump down, which many other Dem candidates might not be able to do.

05-17-2018 , 07:41 PM

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Also a kind of neat factoid, he's live streaming his entire campaign. So in addition to speeches and town halls you also get him doing mundane staff like pumping gas and eating lunch. Bizarre, but he makes it work.

05-17-2018 , 08:02 PM

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O'Rourke has the likability, authenticity, and positive message thing down, and that is ~95% of what matters in a candidate. Would not be surprised if he beats Cruz.

05-17-2018 , 08:05 PM

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Beto seems legit.

05-17-2018 , 09:39 PM

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I had heard people saying that Beto has a chance, but haven't followed the race hardly at all.

Until earlier tonight, I had figured he was a Donnelly/Heitkamp type of Democrat if people thought he might unseat Cruz.

Shocked that he's closer to Bernie/Merkley than those types.

If he takes out Cruz, and there's hopes of him actually carrying Texas in 2020, he's a really good candidate. Just flipping Texas alone is enough for 270.

05-17-2018 , 09:49 PM

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Jason Kander should just run. He's almost perfect. Weak resume in government is his only drawback (SoS and failed Senate campaign in a red state), but if his opponent is Donald Trump then who gaf. He's a legit progressive, veteran, really likeable, super smart on issues. Has a nice Midwestern accent that will probably soothe deplorables.

05-17-2018 , 09:52 PM

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anyone could beat trump, they just need to kiss putin's ass first and publicly promise sanctions relief in return for cyberattacks and hacking of trump's inner circle

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