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If the goal is to have a Democrat defeat Trump in 2020, is there a strategy that has a higher chance of winning than persuading Condoleeza Rice to switch parties and run?

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03-02-2018 , 08:31 PM

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Help me Oprah-one, your our only hope:

(I was thinking that she should have been the VP candidate for both parties in 2016, to complete the Spy magazine curse/blessing effect.)

03-03-2018 , 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jbrochu

Um, see this plan really sucks because more than being interested in having my party in power, it would also sort of be nice to have someone hold the same ideals that we support. And by we I probably don't mean you.

I think you are probably right. For instance one of my ideals is that people who evade purely strategic questions be put into interment camps. I'm thinking that isn't an ideal you hold.

03-03-2018 , 01:58 AM

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Dems should work to get Putin on the ballot to primary Trump. When he wins he probably gets declared ineligible for not being born in the USA and the Dems win. And if he gets around that and becomes POTUS, there's no real change. Nothing to lose.

03-03-2018 , 02:18 AM

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I guess I have to explain that if it was agreed that Rice would easily beat Trump the next step would be to come up with a candidate that captures as many of her attributes as possible without the downsides of her unwillingness to run and her too many unacceptable positions. Its all going to be irrelevant soon enough though as more and more countries are pleasant enough so that the smartest of their citizens no longer dream of comng here to help prop up mediocre minds who think spelling and writing skills equate to intelligence.

03-03-2018 , 03:22 AM

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I probably missed something, but that seems from left field. Spelling is no biggie, but writing skills are definitely a part of any reasonable accounting of intelligence. Good writing requires not only logic, but a good theory of mind which is a big part of why us monkeys got big brains in the first place. Perhaps that's not what you meant though.

And, it's just not agreed that Rice, as a Dem, would easily beat Trump. She'd of course never win the nomination, but if she did she'd get stomped. If you want a Black woman to be POTUS, I vote for Barbara Lee.

03-03-2018 , 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

The Democrats already ran a former Secretary of State with no strategic foresight or vision. Why would they run another?

03-03-2018 , 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by microbet

Good writing skills require a minimal level of intelligence (it's really not that high) but high intelligence doesn't translate to good writing skills most of the time.

Good writing is kind of like playing defense in basketball. You need a minimal level of athleticism but after that, it's mostly about the amount of effort you're willing to put into it.

03-03-2018 , 10:22 AM

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Why Rice isn't regarded as an incompetent idiot baffles me? She was National Security Advisor during both the greatest intelligence failure and the greatest strategic blunder of American history.

03-03-2018 , 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

I agree that we're totally ****ed when the only "thinkers" left are people like you.

03-03-2018 , 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Benjam!n

Why Rice isn't regarded as an incompetent idiot baffles me? She was National Security Advisor during both the greatest intelligence failure and the greatest strategic blunder of American history.

Her only positive attribute for running as a Dem is name recognition, which is also a huge negative.

But I guess David thinks if we can find a "well spoken" black woman that happens to hold the totally opposite views of Rice, we're in business.

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03-03-2018 , 10:39 AM

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Why Rice isn't regarded as an incompetent idiot baffles me? She was National Security Advisor during both the greatest intelligence failure and the greatest strategic blunder of American history.

She has absolutely incredible credentials other than that giant blemish. She's black. She's a woman.

All of that makes her kind of hard to attack, especially for the Democrats.

She was also considered a rather effective SoS during Bush's second term.

03-03-2018 , 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Benjam!n

The Democrats already ran a former Secretary of State with no strategic foresight or vision. Why would they run another?

Sklansky voted for Trump because he's a white man. In his mind the way to rally the other side must therefore be to offer a black woman. It's an incredibly sexist and racist way to approach nomination of a candidate, but there you go.

03-03-2018 , 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Not sure what attributes you're talking about, given that you acknowledge that she has too many unacceptable positions.

03-03-2018 , 10:48 AM

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No. IME, and I have a degree in Math and English and have had jobs in tech and in writing (of sorts), there are plenty of people good at one kind of thing who would have to overcome the same kind of ineptitude and disinclination to do the other.

03-03-2018 , 11:09 AM

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I don’t even see how we disagree.

03-03-2018 , 11:21 AM

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I don’t even see how we disagree.

"Good writing skills require a minimal level of intelligence (it's really not that high) " -grizy

I don't think this is necessarily wrong as I think the difference in intelligence between people is wildly overrated and most people are capable of most things, but you obviously are setting this in opposition to technical or logical skills. I disagree with that.

03-03-2018 , 11:54 AM

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No. I was only objecting to the idea that lack of writing skills is strong indicator of low intelligence and also objecting to the idea that good writing skills is a good indicator of HIGH intelligence.

03-03-2018 , 11:57 AM

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No. I was only objecting to the idea that lack of writing skills is strong indicator of low intelligence.

Ok. Fill in the blanks

A lack of _________ skills is a strong indicator of low intelligence.

Good _______ skills are a good indicator of HIGH intelligence. (edit for your edit)

03-03-2018 , 12:03 PM

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grizy,

Did you read Sklansky's post? The one that we're both presumably talking about?

03-03-2018 , 12:04 PM

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Reading Sklanski's post was our mistake. Let's move on.

03-03-2018 , 12:11 PM

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Good point.

03-03-2018 , 12:18 PM

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What were the decisions made by Oprah the business woman? She built a brand in a niche market and then leveraged it into being super rich. How does that make her fit for president versuses Elizabeth Warren?

How is it different than Trump steaks besides being more popular?

Should Kylie Jennar be governor because she posted lots of slutty picks on Instagram and sells lots of makeup?