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Old Yesterday, 05:29 PM   #5801
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Re: Who will run against Trump in 2020?

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After a Republican initiated and run investigation blew up in the dems face. Um hm. Oh ****...

I mean you are right it will hurt them because so many people like you buy and push the fools narrative the investigation was a democratic one.
That is going to be a tough sell, IMO, to now try and portray the Mueller investigation as a Republican con job when so many Democrats in the public were pointing to the Mueller investigation as lights out for Trump and his entire family.
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Old Yesterday, 05:42 PM   #5802
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Re: Who will run against Trump in 2020?

I dont want them to do sell anything but policy. Policy policy policy should be all the candidates sell. But im sure hell not going to buy some fabed up narrative form reps.
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Old Yesterday, 06:34 PM   #5803
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Re: Who will run against Trump in 2020?



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Old Yesterday, 06:42 PM   #5804
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Re: Who will run against Trump in 2020?

p.s. this is not a drill buttigieg doggos have a delightful twitter account, put all your money on mayor pete now while you can

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Old Yesterday, 06:42 PM   #5805
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Cynical candidates have developed an ability to outgrow their convictions in order to win power. Cynical citizens have given up on the election process, going to the polls at one of the lowest rates in the democratic world. Such an atmosphere inevitably distances our society from its leadership and is thus a fundamental threat to the principles of democracy. It also calls into question what motivates a run for office – in many cases, apparently, only the desire to occupy it. Fortunately for the political process, there remain a number of committed individuals who are steadfast enough in their beliefs to run for office to benefit their fellow Americans. Such people are willing to eschew political and personal comfort and convenience because they believe they can make a difference. One outstanding and inspiring example of such integrity is the country’s only Independent Congressman, Vermont’s Bernie Sanders.
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Old Yesterday, 06:49 PM   #5806
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I like this take

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Old Yesterday, 07:29 PM   #5807
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Re: Who will run against Trump in 2020?

One of my long term worries for Mayor Pete is that, the next time you hear him talk, he will repeat several soundbites you've probably heard by now:
- "this election is about 2054, the year I will be the current age of the current president"
- "Trump should never have been able to come within cheating distance of the presidency"
- prob some others I'm forgetting off the top of my head

As he gets more exposure and you hear the same lines, it will start to sound inauthentic. Hopefully he improves at speaking off the cuff and making the same points without repeating the same words so often.

But I like him so far.
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Old Yesterday, 07:32 PM   #5808
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Re: Who will run against Trump in 2020?

You mean like every single candidate who gives the same speech to different towns?

Because campaigns are pretty like stand up comedy in that aspect.
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Old Yesterday, 07:58 PM   #5809
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You mean like every single candidate who gives the same speech to different towns?
Mayor Pete's lines have stuck out to me when I've heard them again much more than those of other candidates, so no, not like every single candidate.
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Old Yesterday, 08:05 PM   #5810
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Mayor Pete's lines have stuck out to me when I've heard them again much more than those of other candidates, so no, not like every single candidate.
That's really odd. Stump speeches all (even GOATbama) sound like someone is playing a recording to me.
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Old Yesterday, 08:24 PM   #5811
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Mayor Pete's lines have stuck out to me when I've heard them again much more than those of other candidates, so no, not like every single candidate.
From speeches I've heard every single candidate restates or rephrases everything. Whether it's Bernie or Beto or someone else.

Interviews are usually when I hear fresh material from any of them.
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Old Yesterday, 08:43 PM   #5812
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"Rephrasing" is the key - Mayor Pete repeats those lines almost verbatim instead of rephrasing them. To take it to an extreme example, you can talk about income inequality over and over again and not sound like a robot by using normal human words so it doesn't come across repetitively, or you can talk about income inequality over and over again by calling it "Trumped-up trickle down". One of those works a lot better than the other.

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Interviews are usually when I hear fresh material from any of them.
Interviews are where I have heard Buttigieg repeat this.

To avoid hammering this too hard, fresh facts about Mayor Pete that I also heard in interviews, regarding the several languages he speaks:
- he knows Maltese because his dad immigrated from Malta (also the language his last name comes from)
- he learned Norwegian in order to read a book he was interested in that was only available in Norwegian
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Old Yesterday, 08:56 PM   #5813
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Re: Who will run against Trump in 2020?

Yeah every candidate does it, but extent can matter: see Rubio, Marco.
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Old Yesterday, 09:22 PM   #5814
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Yeah every candidate does it, but extent can matter: see Rubio, Marco.
That's not untrue, but that's not exactly what we're talking about here. Rubio repeated the same canned line 5 times in 2 minutes in such a way that it seemed he did not know any other words in the English language, during a nationally televised debate.

That's different and orders of magnitude worse than what is being discussed.
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Old Yesterday, 09:38 PM   #5815
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Re: Who will run against Trump in 2020?

Sure, I agree. I've been stanning for Buttigieg (partly joking, but not completely) as much as anyone here so I like him a lot, and I don't think he's anywhere close to Rubio right now. Just pointing out that canned lines can matter if you go too far, and it doesn't need to be as bad as Rubio for it to become a theme. Several presidential candidates have had problems with being perceived as robotic.

Usually that negative perception goes hand in hand with being seen as inauthentic or stiff, though, and I don't really see that as an issue with Buttigieg. I could see him having problems with being seen as an egghead, though.
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Old Yesterday, 10:09 PM   #5816
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Re: Who will run against Trump in 2020?

I see what you are getting at, and agree somewhat, but we are the ones viewing everything he has to say while most of the country either has never heard of him or are hearing from him for the first time.

Itís prob a strategic decision for now, but I do hope he starts mixing it up soon
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Old Yesterday, 10:11 PM   #5817
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I like this take

When you are making a room full of mixed aged white people sound like a black Southern Baptist church, you are doing something right.
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Old Yesterday, 10:24 PM   #5818
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I see what you are getting at, and agree somewhat, but we are the ones viewing everything he has to say while most of the country either has never heard of him or are hearing from him for the first time.

Itís prob a strategic decision for now, but I do hope he starts mixing it up soon
Most of his stuff that I've seen realistically is meant for local consumption and not national consumption.
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Old Today, 12:44 AM   #5819
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Old Today, 03:41 AM   #5820
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I like this take

This is a tremendous line of attack on the GOP, and it's similar to the type of thing that a lot of us on this forum would come up with if you put us in a room for a few hours. Pete gets what he's up against.

Also, he appears to have found some sort of stage in Iowa? I didn't know they had those... Pete 1, Beto 0.

But seriously, I spent some time today thinking about whether America is ready for a gay president and a friend (ironically a 2p2er who I've tried to get into this forum) said something that stood out: "just let it happen."

From the jump I've said I want a fair, open primary process and whoever rises to the top and gets the support of Democratic voters must be our nominee. In other words, just let it happen.

On some level to question his electability based on something that is part of who he is and not wrong in my views is not only wrong (as I hinted at in saying how I hated that it seemed necessary), but stupid. I'm wasting time worrying about how bigots will vote? **** that, I should be spending time on how to beat bigots not win their vote.

Which got me thinking of the fun ways in which running a gay candidate against this particular president could be quite effective...

So after reconsidering, I think Buttigieg is electable. And it's not my job, or the DNC's job to decide if he's electable or not in the general election. It's our job to *make* him electable in the general election by knocking on doors and turning out voters.

So I think we should focus electability concerns on issues/talent, not submit to the soft bigotry of worrying how bigots will vote.

Pete's in my top three and if I lived in Iowa and the vote was today, he'd have my vote.
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