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Old 03-14-2019, 02:35 PM   #5251
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Mayor Pete getting some traction in my extended family Dem political discussion after some town hall he did against/with Kamala?

Kamala was the early favorite. Think she is fading already.
I think Beto is going to take the wind out of his sails unfortunately. On the surface they cross over a lot as they are both young, upbeat, and well spoken but Beto is coming in with a huge head start. And that sucks because I feel like both have a good chance of having moderates like them while Buttigieg is low key progressive.

I hope he is still being talked about when my campaign t shirt ships in 3 weeks.
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Old 03-14-2019, 02:38 PM   #5252
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criticism of beto seems in very good faith itt

-he's in good shape
-he's not a dickhead
-he apologized once

riveting
UsedToBeGood's post is dead on, but I will say personally what turns me off about Beto is that he's not angry about what's going on. He should be angry. A far right judiciary is striving to destroy workers' power and the rights of minorities. Republicans installed through a massive, coordinated fraud one of the stupidest, most corrupt figures in modern American politics. This is a man who just proposed a trillion dollars in cuts to social programs literally to pay for a tax break to corporations and the 1%. He instituted a Muslim ban, and it was certified by a Supreme Court majority that his party stole. He promotes authoritarians around the world and shows a complete disregard for human rights. He threw kids in cages and said there were "very fine" Nazis. On and on. If you're not visibly disgusted by that, I don't trust you to represent my values.
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Old 03-14-2019, 02:51 PM   #5253
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Old 03-14-2019, 02:55 PM   #5254
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The idea of stuff actually getting done has its appeal.

Get away from 2p2 now and then and you will realize there are a lot of moderates in this country - even moderate republicans who now realize Trump is a s***show, and who might be persuaded to vote for a center-left Dem.

Trump will effectively try to goad libs into nominating a far left candidate and then cruise to a 2nd term. Given the fact that Dems are bad at politics it might work.
If these "moderate" Republicans just stay home instead of vote for Trump and the Democrat base turns out it is a landslide. The #1 risk for Dems (other than actual election fraud and hacking) is their base staying home, not failing to win over moderates. If these "moderates" will vote for Trump over a competent Democrat they aren't really moderate at all. Honestly if Dems can't win with a liberal agenda after the last 4 years of this **** show they should still try because another 4 years of trump will sink the country enough that the electorate will never forget.
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:00 PM   #5255
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I don’t know, man. I’m pretty confident people actually want a flamethrower. Democrats win the polling on basically every issue. They lose because they are enormous cowards (often bought off by corporate donors).

Health care is REALLY ****ed up in this country. If I were running, I’d make it my signature issue and just relentlessly emphasize what people would actually experience under single payer. People hate insurance companies. They hate drug companies. They hate everything about health care and they know empty ass platitudes about “access to affordable heath care” are meaningless.

“You get sick, you go get care. You never get a bill, ever. Don’t buy the lies from Republicans - they are bought and paid for b an insurance industry that’s sole reason for existing is to make money by denying care.”
This did not work for Stacey Abrams in GA.
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:05 PM   #5256
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I don't know whether Abrams emphasized healthcare, but saying something "didn't work" for her seems suspect considering she performed awesome compared with a generic Dem and probably would have won without the extreme riggage perpetrated by Kemp and the Republicans.
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:40 PM   #5257
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Or you can ignore what others and myself have previously said:

- how he voted with Trump more often than the majority of House Dems despite being in a solidly blue district
- how he takes sizable donations from AIPAC, fossil fuel companies, and wall street which clearly informs how he votes and what policies he will put forth
- how he has not really done anything remarkable other than be a 3-term congressmen that no one ever heard of and then lost a senate race to one of the most unpopular politicians in Washington during a blue wave
- how his milquetoast approach to politics about unity and platitudes is not in step with the populism that is driving actual voters today
- how he is a very rich and privileged person, with a multimillion fortune of his own + being married to the daughter of a billionaire

Really, all he has going for him is he's attractive and charismatic and that he may be able to gain support of the establishment thanks to his corporate friendliness, if Kamala goes the way of Jeb, which its starting to look like.
great post. this should be bumped any time someone mentions thinking about voting for this useless, insipid nothing of a person
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:43 PM   #5258
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Worked for Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
To be fair Beto is like a 6 while Trudeau is a 9.5
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:55 PM   #5259
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This did not work for Stacey Abrams in GA.
Yes it did?
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:18 PM   #5260
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NOPE

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Old 03-14-2019, 04:23 PM   #5261
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I think Beto is going to take the wind out of his sails unfortunately. On the surface they cross over a lot as they are both young, upbeat, and well spoken but Beto is coming in with a huge head start. And that sucks because I feel like both have a good chance of having moderates like them while Buttigieg is low key progressive.

I hope he is still being talked about when my campaign t shirt ships in 3 weeks.
I would think of it the other way around- Beto is an early leader due solely to name recognition. If Mayor Pete is to get traction then peeling off Beto supporters would be one possible path.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:04 PM   #5262
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NOPE

Jesus, that line with "write that poem" on it.. projectile vomited reading that. The more I read or hear Beto the worse it gets.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:41 PM   #5263
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I watched a bit of the Iowa town hall and he answered almost every question with vague platitudes.

"What do you think about the GND?"

"Climate change is real and we need to do something about it."

I assume at some point he will come up with specific policies. But he is very charismatic. He will be a legit top tier candidate once he gets more substanace to his candidacy.
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Old 03-14-2019, 06:39 PM   #5264
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Jesus, that line with "write that poem" on it.. projectile vomited reading that. The more I read or hear Beto the worse it gets.


God that whole snippet is just ****ing awful
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:52 PM   #5265
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The idea of stuff actually getting done has its appeal.
lolololol at equating "getting stuff done" with moderates.

obamacare was a republican plan and got literally zero votes from republicans bro. that was ten years ago.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:26 PM   #5266
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I know you're just a script monkey but I'd expect someone who works in tech would at least understand the implications of Russia holding a former NSA contractor for the past 6 years.
lol, what is a "script monkey"?

But anyway, if you knew anything about tech, you'd perhaps have paid attention to Snowden when he talks about the technical precautions he took when traveling. And if you knew anything about making good arguments, perhaps you'd have something more convincing than saying "but he's...there" and waving your hands hoping magic dust will appear.

Are you going to respond to others' posts expressing similar disbelief at your idiocy, or take your ball and go home? And did you find those contemporary taeks you were touting before?
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:53 PM   #5267
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Update on SCHULTZ 2020: Neighbors and the city question Schultz's characterization of his upbringing as "rags to riches"

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The man who built the Starbucks empire and now calls himself a likely “centrist independent” candidate for president says his is “a rags-to-riches story” in which he started out on “literally the wrong side of the tracks” in “low-income” housing, where “we were all poor,” where “my best defense was a good offense” and where fights “didn’t typically escalate to deadly violence, but they were tough in their own way.”

But Schultz’s depiction of Bayview as a rough, low-income community is inconsistent with the city’s definition of the project, the requirements for tenants to get into the buildings, and the experience of others who lived there.

“It was a shiny, wonderful world,” said former Bayview resident Elyse Maltz, one of many residents of the development who contend that Schultz, 65, has distorted the reality of the place where they grew up in the 1950s and ’60s. “Everything was brand spanking new. “

Maltz, who got to know Schultz in seventh grade and now lives in New Jersey, said the Bayview that her family and Schultz’s moved into “was middle-class, not lower middle. You were interviewed to get in. My family was pretty well off. I know Howard wants to look like he’s rags to riches, but we had a wonderful, plentiful life. I mean, my ma had a cleaning lady. We really didn’t lack for anything.”

She called on Schultz to “please stop referring to us as poor or destitute, because it’s insulting and we didn’t feel that way at all.”
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“It was the country club of projects,” Blank said, using a phrase several former Bayview residents volunteered. “Howard Schultz makes it sound like a slum, but you couldn’t be poor to live there. Don’t let Howard fool you: It was brand new, a beautiful new place with new kitchens, new plumbing. We’re excited that he’s running, but I yell at the TV when he says this stuff.”
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:29 PM   #5268
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lol how bored is this guy to still be pretending to run for president
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Old 03-14-2019, 11:19 PM   #5269
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He really, really, really doesn't want his taxes to go up. What's a billionaire supposed to do?
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:10 AM   #5270
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The revolution will not be televised


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Old 03-15-2019, 12:14 AM   #5271
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I'm fully convinced the MSM will back Trump at this point if Bernie becomes the nominee, as hard as they try to prevent it from happening. It's all about $$$ for them. Disgraceful. **** em all
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:14 AM   #5272
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I had an interesting discussion with a good friend in Texas tonight about Beto. We both agree that he's got the best chance to beat Trump in the general. My friend thinks the "heart" of the Democratic party is more progressive and in line with AOC and Bernie. I told him that I don't have any issue voting for a centrist Democrat in the general, or perhaps even in the primary... But they need to be authentic and ready to fight for what they believe in. That's something that AOC and Bernie have in addition to being very progressive. Nobody doubts where their true beliefs are, or their authenticity.

I feel like Beto has declared he's running, licked his finger and stuck it up into the Iowa air to see which way the wind is blowing on different issues. I was a huge Beto fan during his campaign against Cruz, and loved his chances at the White House in 2020 if he lost. Now, I'm souring on him pretty dramatically.

I can support a candidate whose path to Medicare for All is essentially a public option that anyone can buy into. It's not my first choice, but it's close enough if I'm aligned with them on other issues. My problem with Beto is that I'm not really sure what he believes in. He supports that, but he also sort of kind of supports single payer, and it really just depends on what the people want and what Congress wants?

Sorry Beto, that's not the way to get anything done.

We don't need another "Let's all just get along, we can be bipartisan and work together! That's what America is all about!" candidate. Been there, tried that. Got our lunch handed to us.

The right is in full-fledged no holds barred, norms don't matter mode to try to get rid of the ACA, throw kids in cages, build a pointless wall, and carry water for Trump. Holding hands and singing Kumbaya is not the path forward.

That doesn't even mean I would only vote for a progressive candidate in the primary... but you can be damn sure that whoever gets my vote will be prepared to go fight tooth and nail for what they believe in, and that it will include most/all of the stuff in HR1, as well as statehood for Puerto Rico. They should also be in favor of some form of court-packing to even things up for what was done with the seat that should have gone to Garland.

Otherwise, we're playing checkers while they're playing chess.

Beto is great at selling a message to voters, but the fact that he couldn't decide where he stood on issues in the months leading up to his run is unacceptable.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:31 AM   #5273
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Cuse, what do you think is the difference in % to beat Trump between the "best" and "worst" candidate atm? Polls seems to have it at ~7%, which isn't worth centrist policies imo.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:20 AM   #5274
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I had an interesting discussion with a good friend in Texas tonight about Beto. We both agree that he's got the best chance to beat Trump in the general. My friend thinks the "heart" of the Democratic party is more progressive and in line with AOC and Bernie. I told him that I don't have any issue voting for a centrist Democrat in the general, or perhaps even in the primary... But they need to be authentic and ready to fight for what they believe in. That's something that AOC and Bernie have in addition to being very progressive. Nobody doubts where their true beliefs are, or their authenticity.

I feel like Beto has declared he's running, licked his finger and stuck it up into the Iowa air to see which way the wind is blowing on different issues. I was a huge Beto fan during his campaign against Cruz, and loved his chances at the White House in 2020 if he lost. Now, I'm souring on him pretty dramatically.

I can support a candidate whose path to Medicare for All is essentially a public option that anyone can buy into. It's not my first choice, but it's close enough if I'm aligned with them on other issues. My problem with Beto is that I'm not really sure what he believes in. He supports that, but he also sort of kind of supports single payer, and it really just depends on what the people want and what Congress wants?

Sorry Beto, that's not the way to get anything done.

We don't need another "Let's all just get along, we can be bipartisan and work together! That's what America is all about!" candidate. Been there, tried that. Got our lunch handed to us.

The right is in full-fledged no holds barred, norms don't matter mode to try to get rid of the ACA, throw kids in cages, build a pointless wall, and carry water for Trump. Holding hands and singing Kumbaya is not the path forward.

That doesn't even mean I would only vote for a progressive candidate in the primary... but you can be damn sure that whoever gets my vote will be prepared to go fight tooth and nail for what they believe in, and that it will include most/all of the stuff in HR1, as well as statehood for Puerto Rico. They should also be in favor of some form of court-packing to even things up for what was done with the seat that should have gone to Garland.

Otherwise, we're playing checkers while they're playing chess.

Beto is great at selling a message to voters, but the fact that he couldn't decide where he stood on issues in the months leading up to his run is unacceptable.
Basically agree and I would vote for a more centrist Dem who I thought was telling the truth over someone pandering to progressives.
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Old 03-15-2019, 07:09 AM   #5275
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Every candidate should be immediately removed from consideration who won't at least commit to an assault weapons ban and harsh penalties for illegal gun ownership. Ideally they would openly question the 2nd amendment but I know that ain't happening.
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