No to both. I'd say Klobuchar and Booker are easily worse. Biden and Harris are worse too.

And literally no one is "drawing dead" against Trump.

There's no real disagreement here.

Beto is in:

oh ffs
always projection.

Honestly haven't watched this guy very much until today. His very animated style is kind of annoying. Turn the volume down and it looks like he's doing an exercise video. Its exhausting.

disqualifying

Agree that the media will be all in for Beto, but it will just be Jeb! 2.0.

People forget Fox News was initially anti-Trump. The media can’t shove this #civil turd down Democrats’ throats. The moment favors a flamethrower, and whoever comes out as an unabashed liberal with no interest in “finding common sense solutions” and “working with my republican friends” will be the front runner. Interestingly, this could (but won’t) be Biden.

I'd like this to be true, but I don't think it is.

Way too many people actually like this "kumbaya" ****.

Here's a nutty idea - instead of 5th level-strategizing on who has the best chance to win - just support whomever you think will make the best president.

Hey you know all those new ideas you're super excited about? What if they were completely watered down and had all the energy sucked out of them? Great right?

Beto 2020

I don’t know, man. I’m pretty confident people actually want a flamethrower. Democrats win the polling on basically every issue. They lose because they are enormous cowards (often bought off by corporate donors).

Health care is REALLY ****ed up in this country. If I were running, I’d make it my signature issue and just relentlessly emphasize what people would actually experience under single payer. People hate insurance companies. They hate drug companies. They hate everything about health care and they know empty ass platitudes about “access to affordable heath care” are meaningless.

“You get sick, you go get care. You never get a bill, ever. Don’t buy the lies from Republicans - they are bought and paid for b an insurance industry that’s sole reason for existing is to make money by denying care.”

The best quip I saw of Beto is Cory Booker is already filling the hope, change and "why can't we get along?" lane.

I still can't believe he apologized for calling Cruz "Lyin' Ted", which of course is just restating a Trump quip. Punk band skateboarding Beto would be ashamed at his grown up cuck self.

criticism of beto seems in very good faith itt

-he's in good shape
-he's not a dickhead
-he apologized once

riveting

Agree with this. Media will be all in for Beto. They'll turn on him in the general of course.

Trump/Schultz/Beto will get 100% of "earned" media and what little coverage is afforded more left candidates will be unrelentingly negative.

Trump's strategy for Beto will be to refer to him as Robert Francis as did his communication director on Fox this morning. Though he did say an over whelming amount of people in Texas are for the wall 46% Robert wants to tear it down

The idea of stuff actually getting done has its appeal.

Get away from 2p2 now and then and you will realize there are a lot of moderates in this country - even moderate republicans who now realize Trump is a s***show, and who might be persuaded to vote for a center-left Dem.

Trump will effectively try to goad libs into nominating a far left candidate and then cruise to a 2nd term. Given the fact that Dems are bad at politics it might work.

Or you can ignore what others and myself have previously said:

- how he voted with Trump more often than the majority of House Dems despite being in a solidly blue district
- how he takes sizable donations from AIPAC, fossil fuel companies, and wall street which clearly informs how he votes and what policies he will put forth
- how he has not really done anything remarkable other than be a 3-term congressmen that no one ever heard of and then lost a senate race to one of the most unpopular politicians in Washington during a blue wave
- how his milquetoast approach to politics about unity and platitudes is not in step with the populism that is driving actual voters today
- how he is a very rich and privileged person, with a multimillion fortune of his own + being married to the daughter of a billionaire

Really, all he has going for him is he's attractive and charismatic and that he may be able to gain support of the establishment thanks to his corporate friendliness, if Kamala goes the way of Jeb, which its starting to look like.

What Democrats might these "moderate republicans" actually vote for?

What other countries could he have picked that are able and willing to protect him from the US?

You should read (among others) the posts 2+4 spots above yours.

Cory Robin's critique of everyone but Warren and Sanders

He mentions the two big ideas about "electability" the beer track and wine track. The beer track is likability, the idea that voters primarily respond to the personality of the candidate. The wine track is that elites read up on policy ideas from the candidates and select the seriousness of the policy and then that propagates down.

http://coreyrobin.com/2019/02/10/bee...****ing-train/

I voted for Hillary. Although I threw up in my mouth a little when I did it.

Worked for Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

His dad had also been PM, though. Legacy admission, so to speak.

I'd be fine with Beto if he was the nominee. Not my first choice, but I think he might have the strongest coattails of any of the dem candidates and will help people down ballot. If dems get house+senate+presidency then we can really start to make some reforms (HR 1, DC statehood, etc.) that will fix the country long term.