More of a personal shame for the clappers, but more embarrassing for the guy asking since he's on camera.

Klobuchar's too demeaning to be president, vote for Trump.

I guess it's the part where she comes off as Minnesota nice that's the issue where Trump's "yeah I'm a piece of **** so what".

Say all that is true, so she's what just like about half of congress?

I guess another one bites the dust, but every D candidate is gonna get attacked hard the next few years somewhere.

Hard to vote for someone like that sure, but R's don't have a problem pulling the lever for Trump so ****.

Tulsi Gabbard isn't a phony, that's what far left on foreign policy is. It's trash and I expect and hope she doesn't have a chance.

The left doesn't like Tulsi Gabbard's foreign policy. The debate here on Tulsi started when someone posted Jacobinmag's (socialist news and opinion site) article "Tulsi Gabbard Is Not You Friend." You can find similar commentary critical of Gabbard's foreign policy in the far left podcasts Chapo Traphouse and The Michael Brooks Show.

No one is saying that. I don't want Klobuchar to be the D nominee because she sucks.

If it's heads-up Klobuchar vs Trump, the choice is obvious at that point.

I think "far left" meant left of Bill Kristol.

Why is it so hard for the dems to find a horse or two? I don’t know what’s scarier trump or there is no challenger. Can an off party candidate make some noise? That would prolly bury the dems. What a mess a of a world we live in.

Obama was very clearly never personally against gay marriage.

Yeah, I know. That's the point. The phoniness was appearing to be somewhat against it to make him more electable.

This was Obama in 2004:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XAVqrqr4j4

You'll know its begun when candidates start shooting themselves in the back of the head.

You’ll know it’s begun when the existing rumor about Gillibrand gets oppo-dropped

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/statu...80028770693121

Lmk when Tulsi stops Trumpquivocating and whataboutting whenever Assad’s name is mentioned in her presence and I might be swayed

****ing right LIZ

I was just making a general statement. That was not intended to support Gabbard. I don't particularly care for her. The point was that each instance of phoniness should be evaluated individually and weighed against whatever else they bring to the table.

Warren is my #1 pick right now, but it's going to be a LOOOONG campaign.

She is so good on the economic issues and the destruction of the middle class. Sadly I think the Native American stuff is gonna sink her. However like you said it's a long campaign, I thought Trump was sunk after he mocked a hero POW for getting captured... so who knows?

Yeah, if he starts campaigning for her, saying he's too old or something I think she is catapulted to the front of the contenders. If they both run, someone like Harris will win.

It's hilarious (but also sad) that people on the left are so eager to say that Warren's done. It's fine if you want a different Dem candidate on the merits (I'm pretty sure I do), but her Native American **** is not prohibitive. Stop being pundits and more importantly stop conceding **** to the incredibly disingenuous Trumpkins and ChymeChowders.

One of them doing it itt is a concern troll who is likely a R.

How in the world are you supposed to vote for someone who pretended to be another race to get herself ahead in life and she did it repeatedly. It's just plain indefensible. (despite a lot of this forum's best effort to hand wave it away)

Dem candidates have only won POTUS in my lifetime if they are charismatic/good centrists and she's none of those.

Policy and being correct doesn't work as well in politics as the other stuff. So far she's handled the R rage test poorly.

AOC has a much better shot there when she can run despite lol socialism.

Agree that the Native American **** wouldn't hurt her in the general. No one bothered by it would ever have voted for Trump.

OTOH, the mass media - WaPo, NYT and even Comcast, er MSNBC, don't want Warren and they'll give her the Howard Dean Scream treatment on anything weird and insinuate that she's unfit.

Well, one big reason is that she'd be running against Donald Trump. But, I guess for you indefensible is indefensible.

% of the time we find out that Booker is gay?

I disagree somewhat. A big part of why Donald Trump won is dip****s around the country who are convinced the biggest issue in society today is whites facing more discrimination than anyone else. Warren being the nominee, and the conservative propaganda machine amplifying this **** 24/7, would really activate all the conservatives who stayed home in the 2018 midterms because (despite voting for him in 2016) they're otherwise lukewarm about Trump's awful presidency so far.

It's basically the Hillary factor. Sure, they don't like Trump's tweeting, but good lord did they hate Hillary Clinton and want to get out and vote against her.

And while it's easy to say "but they would do that no matter what", I'm not so sure. Bernie makes a sincere, convincing case along similar policy lines as Warren and I don't think the "but but he's a socialist" message from the right will activate their base as well as "she faked her race to get ahead" would.