Who will run against Trump in 2020? - Page 115 - Politics and Economics

I like Sherrod Brown and I think he not only would be liked by most of the Bernie and HRC crowd, but also by independents. I looked up a few things on him and found this:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opi...us/1598807002/

Lol Ohio - but he wins there.

One huge weakness, I think, for Brown would be the fact that he took far more money from corporate PACs last election cycle than any of the other potential Dems. That seems like a very obvious spot to get brutalized by candidates who took $0 from corporate PACs (Sanders, Warren, Beto). I don't see how that goes unnoticed in a Dem. primary if Brown gains traction.

01-21-2019 , 09:31 AM

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UsedToBeGood

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Originally Posted by Dominic

Jesus ****ing Christ

As someone who tries to defend some of Gabbard's positions, this is a pretty terrible take. I'm all for criticism within the party, especially of centrist Dems who have helped create the situation we live in today, but this is a bad equivalence between the two parties.

01-21-2019 , 09:43 AM

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I hate him by far the most out of all potentials. I'll spit fire at liberals on FB just as harsh as I did against Trump if they start talking Biden up. Not a chance I'd vote for him in the general (in CA).

I'll vote for him in the general of course, and you should too (running up the score against Donald Trump is important, him losing the popular by 3 million is an effective, delegitimizing talking point, plus it really bothers him lol). But yeah Biden is maybe the worst of the bunch. I really hope he decides not to run.

01-21-2019 , 10:26 AM

#2855

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Just to clarify, "situation we live in today" means the state of teh nation in general, not the shutdown. That's all Trump & the deplorables.

01-21-2019 , 10:28 AM

#2856

UsedToBeGood

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Yeah Biden sucks. The way he treated Anita Hill also looks real bad in retrospect. Biden getting elected means the Democrats are stuck with Clinton-era politics until 2028, which is really depressing. But I think in reality, Biden is completely coasting off name recognition/Obama-cred at this point, and his vision and politics is going to come off quite dated once he starts campaigning, especially with how far left AOC has already shifted the overton window.

01-21-2019 , 10:36 AM

#2857

tomdemaine

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This is a chapo take but once Biden gets the spotlight and people realise he's not Obama’s cool uncle Joe from the onion he's actually a career politician with plenty of dodgy takes he's (hopefully) done.

01-21-2019 , 10:51 AM

#2858

Hellmuth was right

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Kamala Harris has entered the 2020 presidential race

01-21-2019 , 11:30 AM

#2859

GermanGuy

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So Harris/Brown 2020 is the best shot Democrats have? Kamala Harris as the candidate most likely to energize a coalition of BernieBroish and centrist Dems and Sherrod Brown for the midwestern appeal.

01-21-2019 , 12:00 PM

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Brown as VP would be terrible. You can debate whether it's worth allowing a solid blue Senate seat to turn reliably red by promoting Brown to President. But for VP? No thanks.

01-21-2019 , 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanGuy

So Harris/Brown 2020 is the best shot Democrats have? Kamala Harris as the candidate most likely to energize a coalition of BernieBroish and centrist Dems and Sherrod Brown for the midwestern appeal.

Harris does not especially mobilize the Bernie wing.

01-21-2019 , 12:08 PM

#2862

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Originally Posted by microbet

Harris does not especially mobilize the Bernie wing.

This. She'd be better than, say, Biden. But "mobilize" is way too strong.

01-21-2019 , 12:15 PM

#2863

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I think Biden would win handily. Only the swing states matter and he'd do well in the Midwest. Running up the score in CA and NY, which Harris would definitely do, doesn't help at all.

01-21-2019 , 12:19 PM

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Depends on what kind of platform Biden runs on. The democratic party is a lot more liberal than it was even a few years ago and he seems to be an old school centrist.

01-21-2019 , 12:45 PM

#2865

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Originally Posted by tomdemaine

this is also kind of a chapo take, but it really seems there is too much smoke and innuendo around Biden's behavior with women for there not to be fire there, and it will inevitably come out. hopefully sooner rather than later so he can **** off, he is undoubtedly the worst of the major candidates in terms of what he actually believes

01-21-2019 , 02:22 PM

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Yeah IDK, would it not have come out when he was running for VP?

01-21-2019 , 02:39 PM

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Yeah IDK, would it not have come out when he was running for VP?

Kavanaugh got pretty far without a peep. Confirmation hearings during the Dubya years IIRC.

01-21-2019 , 02:49 PM

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ChrisV

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I guess women who liked Obama might have bitten their tongues anyway.

01-21-2019 , 03:11 PM

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Everyone is (correctly) focused on Biden's potential issues with women/kids/whatever, but we haven't even discussed his multiple plagiarism incidents. That **** matters too.

01-21-2019 , 03:12 PM

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Kafja

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Yeah IDK, would it not have come out when he was running for VP?

i don't think so (if we're talking about harassment, groping, general sleazy creep behavior, which are the murmurs i've heard). 2008 was a mighty long time ago culturally. it's prob not worth dwelling on too much, but given some of the weird, borderline gross stuff he's done in public (below), it's a very live possibility he's done worse imo:

01-21-2019 , 05:11 PM

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Dominic

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I like Harris, but she is way to centrist...take corporate money, not part of Green Deal....she is certainly smart and well-spoken, though

01-21-2019 , 05:17 PM

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Electoral college sure sucks. It's hard enough to keep up the illusion that one's opinion and vote matters as it is, but in a non-swing state it's nearly impossible and when you add Californian into the mix and the whole federal government in the hands right now of the popular vote loser and a Senator from Kentucky it's totally impossible.

01-21-2019 , 07:16 PM

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Brown as VP would be terrible. You can debate whether it's worth allowing a solid blue Senate seat to turn reliably red by promoting Brown to President. But for VP? No thanks.

Yeah brown as VP would be one of the stupidest moves of all time