(ii) is true. Fake news and accusations about sexual harassment will come out in droves against any male Dem candidate.

Not saying all of them will be true but false ones will come forward.

As of now, it's way easier for me to make a case about why each front runner WON'T win the primary.

Sanders: Will be incredibly old. Still doesn't talk much about identity politics which have become more important, if anything.
Warren: Old. Fits into the same space as Bernie but isn't as charismatic.
Gillibrand: Flip flopping and legal background could hurt. Not very charismatic.
Booker: Seen as corporatist when the party has moved in the other direction. What's his base?
Biden: Old. Some questionable votes/statements in his past.
Harris: TBH, she's the hardest for me to make a case against, but some on the economic left seem to be suspicious of her. And she'll likely have the least name recognition / infrastructure so will start at a disadvantage.

Not a particularly hot take here, but I think events over the next couple years will go a long way toward determining who stands out. A recession might help Sanders / Warren, a war might help Biden, identity issues might help Gillibrand/Harris, etc.

Some othe random thoughts:

- What will the tensions be this time? Economic vs identity politics? Old vs young? Black vs white? Depending on who runs, the splits will be very interesting.
- I still think Kander is being overlooked big time. He's very likely to run to raise his national profile, and I could see him catching on. His youth is going to stand out in a good way, IMO.
- I disagree with many of the critiques about Harris earlier in the thread. I find her to be plenty likeable and charismatic. And, in a democratic primary, her being a female minority helps her more than it hurts.
- Who stays out? If either Warren or Bernie don't run, for example, it could be a big benefit to the other.
- Who will the establishment back? And does that matter anymore?
- Will the insanity of the Trump presidency push people toward a boring candidate?

A pairing of Gillibrand and Warren would give Trump 47, maybe 48 states.

Could also be a massive advantage. Like, right wing derpers know all the other names and know how to hate them. An unknown is possibly harder. Don't have 10 years of oppo already done on that person.

I like Kamala Harris as a candidate but her position on guns would turn her off to quite a few people and not just the Trumpkins. It's an issue democrats need to give up on.

It should be Al Gore. The fact that he'd have to be dragged into the race kicking and screaming just makes him an even better choice. Sure he'll be 72 but the country and the planet need him like never before. George Washington didn't want to be president either.

As long as the vote rigging is kept to a relative minimum, the democratic candidate will probably approach 350 electoral votes.

It's amusing to watch right-wingers, who are normally found on 2+2 arguing that sexism is something invented by liberals, totally own themselves in posts like these. Deep down, w00t thinks the country is so sexist that states as blue as New York and Vermont are turning red (for Donald Trump!) in response to a two-woman ticket!!

It is not about two woman,
it's about those two woman.

And yes the country is brutally misogynistic.

And for some reason I cannot comprehend, woman have a deep hatred for woman.

Trump got 42% of the woman vote, that is really messed up.

Trump got more than 50% of the white woman's s vote.

Woman hate woman more than men.

That's messed up.

Huh? You just told us:

Under 50? And well under men (who voted 52% for Trump)? That doesn't comport with "women hate women more than men" at all! Oh, wait:

White women, of course, because other women aren't real people to racist conservative asshats.

I'm a center left winger whose a realist.

Delusional extremist Warren loving left wingers will get Trump reelected.

And another 42% of the woman's vote.

Woman "of color" we're smart enough not to vote for Trump.

I heard something like 98% of African American were smart enough not to vote for Trump. I can't remember what the number was for Spanish woman, but it was well above 80% voted for Hillary.

lmao

"takers" and "libtards" definitely words that "center left wingers" use (not to mention the JERB CREATOR worship)

In 2018 if you're not tiki torching you're a "center left winger."

Harris didn't prosecute Mnuchin and got a donation from him. Her explanation is "our office made that decision" rather than oh say actually explaining that part. Googling into it, they probably only get a fine even with a win so they decided not ot bother but gl explanining that one, esp when people in the dem primary bring it up, since he's ya know the treasury sec under Trump.

Center left winger to them is socialist. Or anything left of them really.

are you trying to say you're a black woman here or w0t

Take out the apostrophe.

This is the dumbest post I've seen recently, and I was arguing in the POG politics thread last night.

Biased much?

Your whole argument this far is that women hate women. You ignore everything but gender when it comes to voting and use race only when it suits you to support your argument. Somehow they should just vote a woman because her gender though.

The fact is that you have provided nothing substantial to support your claim.

I think Warren would do well. The misogyny factor is overrated. HRC lost cause she sucks, not cause she's a woman. The worst anyone's got on her is calling her Pocahontas which is not gonna do much to depress turnout plus it will be played out by 2020. She's a progressive pick with enough history in the party to be taken seriously unlike Bernie. Also smarter, I trust her more to actually get some of her agenda through, and she's able to frame her platform in a way that people will like as opposed to a socialist war on the rich. She wins unless someone convinces her not to run.

You sir are completely delusional.

Working class Americans will not forgive Warren for playing and benefiting from the race card.

And misogyny, amongst men and woman is as strong as ever.

Warren has huge baggage besides her fake Indian act.

Prediction: Trump will be begging for Warren to run and win the Democratic nomination.

Prediction: Warren will make Hillary Clinton look like Mother Teresa when her doings are disclosed.

I agree Warren has a path as the "more serious Bernie". But it will be a tight rope to walk.

She's smarter, and maybe not quite as scary to the establishment / donor class. And unlike Bernie, she does speak up forcefully about identity politics at least once in a while.

But I think she has a major problem if Bernie runs. Bernie is simply more charismatic than her, and that matters a lot since they will be fishing from the same pond to start. Maybe the circles don't overlap exactly, but they are pretty close.

Anyway, Warren is never going to be seen as the first choice for people who care most about identity politics, so she really needs to lock down the economic vote first as a base and then pick up more people as candidates get knocked out. I think she's more appealing than Bernie as a second choice, but she has to get there first for it to matter.

It's like watching someone waterboard the English language.

Such as?

There is only one woman in the United States who would have a chance of beating Donald Trump and she won't run.

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