I brought you to that position kicking and screaming because it was the only out you had left to avoid looking like I completely owned you, which is apparently more important to you than engaging in good faith discussion. Never forget that your initial conclusion was "derp, radical centrism wins again" and that would've been the end of it if no one had pushed back.

hahaha

and this night is only gonna get wilder

WE NEED D10 ON THAT WALL (except holy **** he really does feel that way)

I'm guessing you don't see the irony of claiming proof by intimidation and pointing to some RGT thread that I'm not even going to click on cause it sounds boring af as a way of shutting down the conversation. At the risk of coming across as another personal attack, I'll just say I'm not mad, I think it's mildly amusing.

I mean yeah, you're right, I don't see the irony, maybe you could elaborate? Glad to hear you're ACTUALLY LAUGHING though, that's good. Positivity is key.

Oh wow, the self ownage in that post is just.. *chef's kiss*

Rumsfeldian projection. Hi, I'm John Kerry and I'm a coward and a traitor, vote for Dubya who slayed that tang serving in the TANG, y'all.

Cool :thumbsup: I'm gonna ignore you now for your own sanity.

FYP

Cool, sleep tight.

"capitalist to my bones"

She's not progressive enough.

Think this was already responded to but it keeps coming up - you're wrong, you've been brainwashed by the mainstream and/or conservative media. Left policies are wildly popular.

https://prospect.org/article/most-am...80%99t-know-it

That's why those of us far to the left want candidates who boldly shout clear socialist policies. People like those policies if they're easy to understand. Clinton never made anything clear.

If you think the best way to combat this is to play terrified defense by meekly nominating Biden/Beto you're out of your ****ing mind.

(And cut out the concern trolling about anti-Beto videos. Did you have anything to say about the corporate Democrat ****s who've been screaming "#NeverBernie" for the last 2 years?)

You are in many ways correct about the Supreme Court (and the Senate which you didn't mention), and in fact it's already lost. That's why it's vital that we fight, hard, and pick politicians who are going to fight hard and aggressively and "dirty".

This hasn't been on the table much by mainstream politicians, but if we ever take back the Senate and if at that time the SC is still a problem, we pack it with ~4 new far left judges (and/or work towards neutering/eliminating the institution entirely). We do the same with statehood for PR (if they want it), DC, possibly splitting CA, etc. (and work towards eliminating the Senate entirely). Vastly increasing the number of Representatives will probably be good as well and might help mitigate the Electoral College problem.

In general though, there needs to be somebody in there who's a fighter and will hammer the Republicans/SC if they don't fall in line. The House should, right now, be aggressively passing popular progressive bills and then scream about how the Republican Senate is being "obstructionist". They'll either bend to our will or they'll be swept out.

It might need to go more grassroots than this though. If, for example, they passed and signed Medicare for All and the SC struck it down (let's say packing the court isn't doable), we the people would have to get out into the ****ing streets, in DC and everywhere else, and not let business happen for as long as it takes. Should have happened after Bush v. Gore.

If you're going to treat politics solely as a thing we do once every 2 years in the voting booth then we're in trouble, but at the very least then pull the lever for people who are going to fight these battles the way they need to be fought. And who are going to inspire people to vote for them, and inspire people to get out into the ****ing streets if necessary.

Yea there was a "flip in time to save 9" or w/e where one of the judges flipped on a key decision so that they would avoid having multiple new justices added. That's the power of pressure, whether it's from the President or from we the people.

Should be 'Rovian' of course, flashed on that in the shower this morning. In my defence, 'Rumsfeldian' is way more fun to say. RrrrrumsFELDian, I tell you!

Latest buzz is that Kamala is going to throw her hat in the ring over MLK Day weekend.

Nah. He announced he's resigning from the WV senate to run for President. The thud you just heard was me flinging my morbidly obese body off of his bandwagon. He doesn't want to do the work.

He was doing some good there, as a troll if nothing else. I think losing that house election made him snap. He's been going further and further left, which is nice, but I suspect he is just playing a part. Ojeda + live mike + discussion of race/gender issues = me terrified. I doubt he could go in depth on that or similar social issues without saying something profoundly stupid.

I mean, it is a 60 day session. He could keep being a social media attention whore while in Charleston, and his policy rants would look a bit more credible from that backdrop than in front of seven people outside of a 7/11 in Ely, Nevada. If by some miracle he became relevant, he could resign for next term and only deprive the people that voted for him of their chosen representative for one session instead of two.

anybody who supports ojeda for president possesses a brain that is badly broken

🔥 from Frost (the link contains a swearie, you know what to do):

Relevant to the thread:

lol, I know people are sour on Warren, but come the **** on.

Avowed socialist dislikes capitalism, also water is wet.

Avowed moron wonders why Warren hasn’t fully nationalized all of the banks yet.

It's really more explaining why than wondering, but go off.

How exactly is the quoted bit relevant? Has Bernie and/or socialism been attacked ITT?

This dude cribbing “Orange Man Bad” memes from 4chan has some very smart takes, guys!

Yes, and your new-found disregard for my mental health is shocking

lol

d10: Attacks on Bernie/socialism?
Flynn: Yes, see this post from Republican wheatrich bashing Bernie along with literally every other Democratic contender while making no criticisms of socialism.

:thumbsup: again. Back on ignore even though your sanity is beyond saving at this point.