Biden + radical VP + POTUS heart attack.

Sorry Joe but 78 is a decent innings.

So this is worrying, from Warren


https://twitter.com/DanielDenvir/sta...84417437356032

"I have had a chance to talk about Medicaid"
"I hope we continue to have that conversation"

Derp, radical centrism wins again

Not centrism to avoid talking about certain positions when you believe the particular audience will not be receptive to them. I'm more troubled by her website, which is complete AIDS. Just nerdy fact check ****.

Warren is way, way, way worse at this than I thought she would be.

Meanwhile, Beto is going on a "solo roadtrip" to meet voters outside of Texas. LOL. Gotta love the way they frame these things. And Biden is apparently leaning toward running.

Sounds to me like they're all going to run. The invisible primary isn't going to cause any of the main candidates to drop out this time, I don't think. Partly because there's no runaway front runner and partly because money doesn't matter quite as much anymore.

Good. Hopefully we get a big field with some interesting ideas. Let the primaries sort it out.

A big field combined with the new rules DOES make it more likely we get a contested convention, though. I don't know what the odds are, but I remember Nate Silver guessing it might be as high as 50%.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. A second round of voting will very likely give the nomination to the person with the most votes anyway, but it could be interesting.

Yeah. Does she actually think running towards the middle on ****ing HEALTH CARE is the way to win primaries?

Liz, no one is going to buy you as a centrist Democrat. All you're doing is pissing off the people who should be your biggest supporters.

Ojeda? You boys keep having petty fights over your radical centrist/faux progressives and I’ll be over here with my white trash progressive.

My boy had the biggest R to D swing in the nation and you bicker about Biden and Beto. Even Liz is ****ing up lol. Knuckle up!

warren/inslee 2020

Dude has 0 chance

But...

If he can connect with some white trash and turn them progressive just by running

Do some work Ojeda

Daniel Denvir is a progressive political writer who, if you search for articles he's written about Warren, has only one article of substance, titled "Yes, it's OK to be angry at Elizabeth Warren" (for failing to endorse Sanders in the 2016 primary). Search for his work related to Sanders and you'll find an endless list of positive coverage.

Warren's response is reasonable. Her campaign events were 90% Q&A. She is already on record as endorsing single payer healthcare. In general, attacking Warren of all people for not being progressive enough is ****ing stupid. This is the second time in a few days you've done so. You're a mod, post better.

Nah, I'll "post better" when Warren makes it clear she doesn't think her path to the presidency involves not upsetting any timid moderates

I mean, unless you don't think she's progressive enough, in which case attacking her for that is cool and good.

No you won't. I just accused you of citing a biased Bernie Bro source and you're still pretending like you should be able to use that as justification for smearing Warren. No matter what she does you'll be able to find someone who pushes criticism of her. You can choose to think critically about their motivations or just snap repost here when it triggers confirmation bias in you. It's clear which option you want to take.

You've lost all credibility when it comes to Warren.

Nah, pushing stupid opinions isn't any less stupid just because you believe in them.

It's not a "biased Bernie Bro source". It's her own words. They suck. She needs to do better.

Words to live by.

Which words of hers in particular are you talking about? I assume not the ones where she said the national conversation about health care has been enormously valuable and should continue? What exactly is upsetting about explaining that she didn't focus on the subject during this event because it was a Q&A event and nobody asked about it?

See, here's what I have a problem with: "Warren refuses to call for single-payer universal healthcare." This is a demonstrable lie.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/pol...cqI/story.html

So what are you proposing, we make sure Warren re-emphasizes her support for single payer at every event and in every interview or we blast her for not being progressive enough? That's a stupid standard to expect.

Uh, d10, I have some news for you:

Elizabeth Warren said these things!

Mindblowing, amirite? LOL we're gonna get two more years of this mother****er nitpicking like this, god, this primary will never end.

June 27, 2017 - 18 months ago!!!!! She was not running for president then. She is now, and in this early part of her primary, she is (or should be) making very loud signals about the kind of campaign she intends to run. I can support Warren if she runs a progressive campaign. Early signs are troubling! But we'll see, there's plenty of time left.

These words:


https://twitter.com/daveweigel/statu...03358392225792


YES

(and then if she doesn't, if she's asked about it later, don't say goddamn nonsense like "I hope we continue to have that conversation")

Yeah, I'd say voting for Trump then trying to run for prez as a dem is the biggest R to D swing in the history of ever.

The only thing mindblowing about that quote is that you feel talking about medicaid and continuing to talk about healthcare in general, as a candidate who's on the record as advocating for single payer healthcare, is somehow not progressive enough. And you want to complain about nitpicking?

lol. "Shut up already progressives, she's talking about Medicaid! She's talking about health care! Isn't that what you people want?!? You're all so demanding!"

You are so clueless. Next 2 years gonna be lit.

Would you have objected if Warren had responded by saying something like "It didn't come up, there was a lot to talk about, but of course I absolutely do support universal healthcare and if elected blah blah"?

Why do you think she didn't? There are two major candidate reasons I can think of, and neither makes Warren look particularly good.

goofy,

You're still not addressing the fact that you reposted a straight up lie from a biased source. "Warren refuses to call for single-payer universal healthcare." Is this statement true or false? Daniel Denvir - can you point me to a single piece from him which would indicate maybe he's not completely in the tank for Sanders? Do you see a problem with either of these facts? You could've been like "oh my bad, I didn't realize he was biased and/or didn't realize what he said was a straight up lie" and maybe salvage some credibility, but this doubling down on the idea that 18 months isn't recent enough or somehow justifies your mistake is truly absurd. You're not worth engaging until you address this.