nobody cares about your behavioral norm guarding, this thread is about 2020 potus candidates

I thought we were in the era of optics and you're an optics guy. A lot of the street cred Avenatti had blew out the window for a lot of people.

lots of people are saying it, believe me

Bull****, you were just doing behavioral models with Dvaut.

Go look on reddit and other places instead of having your head stuck up Dvaut's ass, my dude. I know you're intolerant of other opinions and act a fool because of it, but it's out there.

wat? can you read? we were talking about failures of dem elite writ large and the attraction of people like avenatti as a contender for POTUS

somebody is jelly and wants to be thought of as an intellectual

The heck are you babbling about. She got the NDA blown up, which was what she was after from the start, meaning she pays him back the $130k hush money and in exchange gets to make god knows how much in tell-all books and publicity as she goes on Kimmel to talk about Trump's dick. Doesn't seem like putting up a bunch of Ls.

The hell are you babbling about. Put Avenatti up against Trump right now and see what people will talk about after Trump brags about his victory. God, you're insufferable.

Lol no. Dvaut was using Avenatti as a filler for " space vacated by the mainstream Democratic Party". Not Avenatti = good candidate.

I'm not jealous of Dvaut's 2p2 popularity in the least. If you read one Dvaut as of late you've read them all. It's nothing but progressive demagoguery. I prefer reading Vox for that kind of ****. I'm interested in reality, not the left wing "fighting spirit" of Avenatti. The world I live in progressive Gillum and boring old centrist Nelson got roughly the same number of votes in FL. A state crucial in winning the Presidency in two years. Dvaut doesn't seem capable of looking at reality and relaying it back to you guys.

I'm sure the D party isn't looking for my advice, but their best candidate if the goal is winning the election over Trump is Kirsten Gillibrand and it ain't even close.

As far left as most of you fellas are, you need to realize you need a candidate that isn't completely repulsive to a few percent of the deplorables are likely necessary to win.

Sen G is surely a liberal, yet she isn't perceived as completely off the reservation as most non liberals see Sen Spartacus, Sen Fauxcahontis or Sen Harris (an Obama like character without the charm or novelty.)

But please God.... try Bernie or some other such loon. Actually, since I haven't voted since 1972.... I don't much care.... as an old, I kinda like free stuff....so have at it boys!

**** the deplorables. All of them. We don't need (or want) them.

Have a Snickers, dude.

Yeah.... you actually do.... 2016 sez hai! Or , alternatively, you could try to jam a few million non citizens onto the voter rolls..... oh, wait a minute!

This seems adjacent to Avenatti 2020:



Now that we’ve established the norm of reality TV grifters becoming president, expect all kinds of pop culture hucksters and tabloid celebs to come out of the woodwork, and some of them will be on the left. Looking forward to Dr. Phil throwing his hat in the ring.

^ never, ever heard of that woman


Current Affairs on Ojeda 2020: Please Not This Guy

Having some right/center politics is good for a dem pres candidate. Sienma got 12% of R votes in AZ.

That article has moments of total AIDS though, throwing in racism in there for no reason other than being a leftist ****head.

Yes, with Trump winning everyone can run for president now, the jackass guys, judge judy, everyone who's ever been on television, it doesn't matter as long as you have name recognition you got a shot.

Nelson got more votes than Gillum--dems actually don't need Florida in 2020. If they do win FL, it's a lock unless things go very wrong in Wisconsin again.

As always, Robinson on point.

obviously nathan j robinson is on my side here, this **** is basic

The one guy no one is talking about is Sherrod Brown, who I know isn't ideal, but who has managed to succeed in Trump country without being an Ojeda-style gimmick.

LOL... So your advice is to run the candidate who is most similar to Hillary in almost every way, right down to owing part of her start in politics to the Clintons? Thanks bud, we'll take that under consideration!

Like, I don't think Gillibrand is the worst candidate by far, but one of the biggest knocks against her is her electability versus Trump.

It doesn't matter because he's not going to be the nominee, but if Ojeda somehow won the Democratic nomination, I'd probably either end up writing someone in or voting for someone like Kasich. We'd be virtually guaranteed to get four more years of ****, one way or another.

Lots of people said this about the current POTUS in 2014. Got to be careful these days.

I mean, I'm voting in the primary, I'm not voting for him, and I'll argue with anyone who thinks they should... and if he gets traction, I'll be volunteering for someone else.

But I maintain that I don't think he has a chance in hell of winning the Democratic primary. If he even makes it on the stage at a debate, he'll get hammered by opponents for voting for Trump and that'll turn off the Dem base real fast.

Gillibrand is a good choice though, probably one of the safest. She had had some strong recent moments including her postal banking bill and calling for the abolition of ICE. She may not be the most inspiring candidate, but imo we need low risk + somewhat left. I love Bernie, but that is high risk. I do not trust the American electorate to elect an 80 year old non-incumbent nor do I trust them to elect a self-declared socialist. With Gillibrand, your floor is 100% of Hillary voters, and there is an extremely high likelihood that Donald Trump underperforms his 2016 "change candidate" performance, hence losing Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Gillibrand probably picks up Arizona also.

I would think that liberals would agree that the "worst" was bringing in that third accuser for his own personal gain even though he almost surely knew that it would add, rather than subtract from Kavanaugh's chances.

I for one, don't beleive he actually voted for trump. I think he just said that because he was running in wva. just a hunch.