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Illegal immigration and approval of civil unions (which, let's face it, means he's on board with gay marriage but he's running for the GOP nod) are two other ones where he's to the left. Also he sounds less hawkish than most on foreign policy.

Then I guess I'm ill-informed about those topics. I thought that his views in those areas were basically identical to the other candidates.

On foreign policy, he does come across as somewhat less hawkish, but I'm really not sure if it's to a degree that puts him out of step with his party.

Again, my view is that it is his temperament -- which is truly moderate and incorrectly suggests moderate policies - is the biggest reason he has not caught on yet.

12-03-2011 , 04:51 PM

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romney will pole in the 20s for the rest of his life. newt...lol. huntsman speaks in complete sentences...no hope.

my guess is nobody will be nominated at the convention and that there will be a pay-per-view winner take all version of big brother airing soon after.

12-03-2011 , 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Wynton

I think the part of the party that would support Huntsman support Romney. No reason to chose Huntsman over Romney unless you like snark.

12-03-2011 , 04:53 PM

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Conservatives starting to catch on that Huntsman is a conservative

In other news, liberals trying to convince conservatives that Huntsman is one of them.

12-03-2011 , 05:05 PM

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In other news, liberals trying to convince conservatives that Huntsman is one of them.

In other news, you guys call everyone with a different opinion a liberal. Does George Will also qualify?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...y.html?hpid=z2

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Jon Huntsman inexplicably chose to debut as the Republican for people who rather dislike Republicans, but his program is the most conservative. He endorses Paul Ryan’s budget and entitlement reforms. (Gingrich denounced Ryan’s Medicare reform as “right-wing social engineering.”) Huntsman would privatize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (Gingrich’s benefactor). Huntsman would end double taxation on investment by eliminating taxes on capital gains and dividends. (Romney would eliminate them only for people earning less than $200,000, who currently pay just 9.3 percent of them.) Huntsman’s thorough opposition to corporate welfare includes farm subsidies. (Romney has justified them as national security measures — food security, somehow threatened. Gingrich says opponents of ethanol subsidies are “big-city” people hostile to farmers.) Huntsman considers No Child Left Behind, the semi-nationalization of primary and secondary education, “an unmitigated disaster.” (Romney and Gingrich support it. Gingrich has endorsed a national curriculum.) Between Ron Paul’s isolationism and the faintly variant bellicosities of the other six candidates stands Huntsman’s conservative foreign policy, skeptically nuanced about America’s need or ability to control many distant developments.

12-03-2011 , 05:15 PM

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but his program is the most conservative

stopped reading there...

12-03-2011 , 05:21 PM

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Immigration

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In June 2007, Huntsman joined other Western governors in urging the Senate to pass comprehensive immigration reform.[76] In 2005, Huntsman signed a bill giving illegal aliens access to "driving-privilege cards", which allowed them to have driving privileges but unlike driver licenses, cannot be used for identification purposes.[77] As Governor, Huntsman threatened to veto a measure repealing in-state college tuition for illegal immigrants.[78] Huntsman has stated support for a border fence "for me, as an American, the thought of a fence to some extent repulses me ... but the situation is such that I don't think we have a choice."[79] In the September 9th, CNN GOP debate, Huntsman suggested that the country needed more legal immigration, claiming that it will revive America's housing market, citing Vancouver's quickly growing real estate market as evidence.[80] Huntsman also supports granting more H-1B visas to foreigners.[81]

Add this to his stance on climate change, civil unions, and his dovish foreign policy and to conservatives he looks like a liberal.

Does Huntsman look Presidential? No doubt. Is he conservative on a bunch of issues? No doubt. But it's his snarky attitude and liberal stance on a number of issues that make him unacceptable to Republicans. Add in the fact that he's a Mormon and that social conservatives would never go for such a candidate and he has little chance.

12-03-2011 , 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wynton

In other news, you guys call everyone with a different opinion a liberal. Does George Will also qualify?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...y.html?hpid=z2

George Will is an opinion I respect, thanks for posting.

12-03-2011 , 05:41 PM

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Yeah, they're being fiscally responsible when it comes to tax cuts for the middle class. If it's for the rich there is no need to be fiscally responsible.

I agree with suzzer here, it's amazing the GOP gets away with this. They're openly ****ing the middle class while doing everything for the richest in the country. And people love it.

12-03-2011 , 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Omar Comin

Just want to quote the statement put out by Paul about why he's not in the Trump debate. So good.

Well, the whole point of the Trump spectacle...
Is from Donald and Newt to spend 2 hours...
Taking the piss out of Barrack Obama...
So it's best if grandpa stays out of the way.

And one of Newt's key strategies is to build up Jon Jr...
Debate him and make him look good, etc...
Every single vote Jon Jr picks up comes from Mitt.

And George Will hasn't been relevant for at least 20 yrs.

12-03-2011 , 06:30 PM

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but do you not see a pattern where it's all left-wing sources who are falling all over themselves trying to prop up Huntsman?

Not really, but maybe I'm missing something. Which media outlets are trying to prop up Huntsman?

12-03-2011 , 06:33 PM

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Well both George and I are past our primes...

12-03-2011 , 06:40 PM

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Not really, but maybe I'm missing something. Which media outlets are trying to prop up Huntsman?

You don't understand, left-wing media refers to anyone but Fox News and its associated blogs. Therefore anyone not in those camps who writes an article where Huntsman is shown to look good is clearly trying to stack the election and keep conservatives out of the running.

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12-03-2011 , 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dinopoker

Huntsman hurts Romney
Bachmann hurts Paul
Gingrich hurts America.
Santorium hurts Gingrich

Thus, Gingrich supporters will push Huntsman.

12-03-2011 , 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Not really, but maybe I'm missing something. Which media outlets are trying to prop up Huntsman?

I didn't mean media outlets. "Sources" was probably a poor way to say it. I'm talking about posters here as well as the source linked.

12-03-2011 , 07:49 PM

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The proof is everywhere that Hermain Cain is a true outsider and a unique, outstanding individual. Look at his outstanding analysis of his own tax plan. While everyone else says that his tax plan won't be revenue neutral, or that it will widen the gap of income disparity, his own website says that it won't, based on his own unique analysis.
While everybody else that shared their experiences regarding his sexual harassment allegations say that there were settlements, that Hermain Cain knew about them, or that they were personally harassed by Cain, HERMAN CAIN SEES THINGS DIFFERENTLY. When everybody else says that he did, he dares to say that he didn't. We need a President who sees things differently.
Do YOU know who the President of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan is?
And lastly, everybody who supports another tax plan answer me this: your candidate may have a realistic economy/tax plan. It may be revenue neutral. It may address who is realistically able to pay more. It may not effectively impose 18% sales tax in some states. But is it simple? IS IT SIMPLE?

12-03-2011 , 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dinopoker

You don't understand, left-wing media refers to anyone but Fox News and its associated blogs.

You are genuinely arguing that CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The LA times, Newsweek, The Washington Post and the NY Times generally play politics right down the middle objectively???????????????

L........................O........................ L

12-03-2011 , 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dinopoker

You don't seem to, umm...post very well. Just throwing that out there.

12-03-2011 , 07:57 PM

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Yea libs ask me "why are you against raising taxes on the rich and the death tax none of that affects you?".I could care less about rich people. I'm in favor of whatever decreases govt revenue. They have proven themselves inefficient,incompetent and irresponsible. Stop feeding the beast.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you just made that up and that no liberal, let alone plural ones, ever actually asked you that question. Among other things, I doubt that any liberal would call inheritance tax "the death tax".

12-03-2011 , 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by swinginglory

The principal bias in these news sources is not one towards liberalism.

12-03-2011 , 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Wynton

You got this wrong. Like many lefties, I worry at the prospect of Huntsman getting the nomination because I think he would be the strongest opponent by far.

We simply can recognize the reality that his views are almost universally very conservative.

I am aware of only two exceptions. He accepts climate change is real. And he has proposed affirmative action to stop banks from being too big to fail (and I'm not even sure that the latter idea would bother conservatives).

shouldn't you be happy that he would also be the best potus of the opposition? i'd be more worried that a less likely to win but terrible person became the nominee than someone who is slightly worse than the current regime but more likely to win than the terrible opponent.

12-03-2011 , 08:23 PM

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Errr given the 'Whats the matter Kansas?' meme from a few years back it's entirely believable.

12-03-2011 , 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

So you support extending the payroll tax holiday, or cutting it another % to 3% like Obama has proposed?

Absolutely, the less the govt gets from all Americans the better.

12-03-2011 , 08:38 PM

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The latter to me depends upon the solution. Would love to see a solution for "too big to fail" that doesn't entail "too weak to compete." The European megabanks will just take the business if the US banks are hamstrung.

12-03-2011 , 08:42 PM

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The principal bias in these news sources is not one towards liberalism.

Is this a matter of personal opinion or ? I mean MSNBC pretty much advertises its liberal leanings. I don't have a problem with this I don't think its desirable to have every news source cover every story in the same way. I don't watch much television news but I didn't think the statement you responded to was controversial.

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