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11-25-2011 , 10:10 PM
Nate Silver: Romney Dominating Race for Endorsements



While Mitt Romney has dominated the race for endorsements, there is some good news for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is 3rd in terms of "endorsement points" behind Romney and Perry.

So if you consider the top tier in the race to currently be Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, and Ron Paul, then Ron Paul is currently 2nd in the top tier for endorsements.

If you look at Iowa, Ron Paul has 8 party officials. No other candidate has more than 1. While he has no endorsements from Iowa State Senators, he is tied for the number of State House officials and even has more than Romney. Only Bachmann has more "endorsement points" in Iowa and since she is not currently in the top tier. You could consider Ron Paul to be leading the top tier in endorsements for the crucial state of Iowa.

So while Ron Paul is trailing far behind Romney in "endorsement points" he is doing relatively well in Iowa which is really all that matters for him.
11-25-2011 , 10:45 PM
LOL who the hell are all these people endorsing Rick Perry?
11-25-2011 , 10:56 PM
Must have happened really early in his campaign.
11-25-2011 , 11:04 PM
Romney seems to be slipping. He started off having a perfect answer for everything, now he just seems exasperated that he even has to compete with the other idiots. The problem is that he's so transparent.

"OH COME ON I'VE CHANGED MY POLICY ON EVERYTHING TO APPEASE YOU BARBARIANS AND YOU STILL WON'T EMBRACE ME WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
11-25-2011 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle
While Mitt Romney has dominated the race for endorsements, there is some good news for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is 3rd in terms of "endorsement points" behind Romney and Perry.

So if you consider the top tier in the race to currently be Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, and Ron Paul, then Ron Paul is currently 2nd in the top tier for endorsements.

If you look at Iowa, Ron Paul has 8 party officials. No other candidate has more than 1. While he has no endorsements from Iowa State Senators, he is tied for the number of State House officials and even has more than Romney. Only Bachmann has more "endorsement points" in Iowa and since she is not currently in the top tier. You could consider Ron Paul to be leading the top tier in endorsements for the crucial state of Iowa.

So while Ron Paul is trailing far behind Romney in "endorsement points" he is doing relatively well in Iowa which is really all that matters for him.
11-26-2011 , 12:30 AM
Who are the 2 US reps that endorsed Paul?
11-26-2011 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by joeyDizzle
So you are totally ok with bombing innocent brown people?

This game is fun
wait. waht?
11-26-2011 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by freedom.fries
Who are the 2 US reps that endorsed Paul?
Is one of them Ron Paul?
11-26-2011 , 12:35 AM
Michigan
Congressman Justin Amash

North Carolina
Congressman Walter Jones
11-26-2011 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle
Nate Silver: Romney Dominating Race for Endorsements



While Mitt Romney has dominated the race for endorsements, there is some good news for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is 3rd in terms of "endorsement points" behind Romney and Perry.

So if you consider the top tier in the race to currently be Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, and Ron Paul, then Ron Paul is currently 2nd in the top tier for endorsements. .
Isn't it just a weeee bit optimistic to call Paul a "top tier" candidate when he is currently running a nice crisp 5th out of 8 candidates? In your opinion, the guy currently running 4th isn't "top tier" , but Dr Paul somehow is? I mean.... really?

And if 5th of 8 is top tier... what on earth are the middle and bottom tiers?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...452.html#polls

I'll say one thing for you fellows.... you can sure find the silver lining in any dark cloud.
11-26-2011 , 12:57 AM
Which Congressman endorsed Cain?
11-26-2011 , 05:32 AM
18% of Paul's endorsement points* come from his immediate family. Let's not get too carried away here. Let's also not forget that most of these endorsements don't actually mean much.

* Is this like political xp or something?
11-26-2011 , 08:30 AM
Oh man, when swinginglory, a guy who is pure emotion, can crush you on logic you know you have made a serious mistake in your thinking. Its just amazing to see how Paulbots think sometimes.
11-26-2011 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory
Isn't it just a weeee bit optimistic to call Paul a "top tier" candidate when he is currently running a nice crisp 5th out of 8 candidates? In your opinion, the guy currently running 4th isn't "top tier" , but Dr Paul somehow is? I mean.... really?

And if 5th of 8 is top tier... what on earth are the middle and bottom tiers?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...452.html#polls

I'll say one thing for you fellows.... you can sure find the silver lining in any dark cloud.
National polls mean diddly squat now. It's all about Iowa and New Hampshire. Yeah, national polls are fun to look at but if you went by them, Guiliani would have been top tier in 08. I never considered him so and in the end I was right.

Ron Paul is definitely top three in Iowa, he may even be leading right now. I consider the top tier right now to be Gingrich, Romney and Paul. Cain has fallen off and is toast now.

Out of the top tier Paul has the best organization in Iowa. He can win Iowa and if he does so, the entire game gets changed dramatically.
11-26-2011 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
To make it perfectly clear:

The amount of federal welfare assistance has varied significantly over the past 50 years. The poverty rate has not. This is evidence that welfare assistance has not had a large effect on poverty rates.
There are some social scientists who think that welfare has increased the dependency of many. While many in poverty need assistance, welfare hasn't been the solution.
11-26-2011 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Oh man, when swinginglory, a guy who is pure emotion, can crush you on logic you know you have made a serious mistake in your thinking. Its just amazing to see how Paulbots think sometimes.
Dude, you'll support anything if it goes against me won't ya?

Please, tell me, explain to me, with logic, why Ron Paul shouldn't be considered top tier? Why are national polls so much more important than state ones like Iowa and New Hampshire?
11-26-2011 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle
Ron Paul is definitely top three in Iowa, he may even be leading right now
11-26-2011 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
18% of Paul's endorsement points* come from his immediate family. Let's not get too carried away here. Let's also not forget that most of these endorsements don't actually mean much.

* Is this like political xp or something?
Ok that may be true, endorsements don't mean a lot. Since Ron Paul is WAY behind in that department, i'll take it as a good sign. I agree that such endorsements have gotten a lot less play this year.

But the whole point of "endorsement points" is to show institutional and party support. Rand Paul may be Ron Paul's but he is certainly part of the Republican establishment now. His vote in the Senate counts as much as any other Senator's. He may not have as much influence but I'm sure him being in the Senate has enabled him to have political connections his father could not.

Last edited by The 13th 4postle; 11-26-2011 at 10:20 AM.
11-26-2011 , 10:07 AM
Paul shouldn't be considered top tier any more than Jean-Marie Le Pen was "top tier" for the 2002 French Presidential election because he got second in the first round.
11-26-2011 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle
National polls mean diddly squat now. It's all about Iowa and New Hampshire. Yeah, national polls are fun to look at but if you went by them, Guiliani would have been top tier in 08. I never considered him so and in the end I was right.

Ron Paul is definitely top three in Iowa, he may even be leading right now. I consider the top tier right now to be Gingrich, Romney and Paul. Cain has fallen off and is toast now.

Out of the top tier Paul has the best organization in Iowa. He can win Iowa and if he does so, the entire game gets changed dramatically.
1, If only Iowa is being considered for what is top tier then Bachmann is the leader of the pack with the most Iowa endorsements.

2, You never mentioned Iowa at all in your post. Sorry no one understood that you were being specific about one state because you didnt mention it until after swinging mocked you, probably cos you didnt actually mean just Iowa and you are now making up that reasoning now.

3, McCain came fourth in Iowa 4 years ago - winning Iowa is grossly overblown by Paulbots and it is overblown because they want to believe doing well there will change his chances. Nationwide his hard cap is about 15-20%. He only does well there in polls because the votes get split by the field pretty well - when they start dropping out Paul's gains will be small to non-existent.
11-26-2011 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
PAC-sponsored poll of Iowa GOP caucusgoers shows Paul and Cain in the lead

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A poll on Monday of Iowa likely GOP caucusgoers paid for by a political action committee that supports presidential candidate Ron Paul shows Paul in the lead, tied with Herman Cain at 22 percent.

Read the full report

Newt Gingrich is next at 21 percent, and Mitt Romney’s in fourth at 17 percent, according to the automated telephone poll taken Nov. 21.

It was paid for by Revolution PAC, a super PAC that backs Paul that can accept unlimited donations from corporations and individuals.
Romney Two-Way Race Now Four-Way Republican Dead Heat in Iowa

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A Bloomberg News poll shows Cain at 20 percent, Paul at 19 percent, Romney at 18 percent and Gingrich at 17 percent among the likely attendees with the caucuses that start the nominating contests seven weeks away.
11-26-2011 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
1, If only Iowa is being considered for what is top tier then Bachmann is the leader of the pack with the most Iowa endorsements.

2, You never mentioned Iowa at all in your post. Sorry no one understood that you were being specific about one state because you didnt mention it until after swinging mocked you, probably cos you didnt actually mean just Iowa and you are now making up that reasoning now.

3, McCain came fourth in Iowa 4 years ago - winning Iowa is grossly overblown by Paulbots and it is overblown because they want to believe doing well there will change his chances. Nationwide his hard cap is about 15-20%. He only does well there in polls because the votes get split by the field pretty well - when they start dropping out Paul's gains will be small to non-existent.
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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle
While Mitt Romney has dominated the race for endorsements, there is some good news for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is 3rd in terms of "endorsement points" behind Romney and Perry.

So if you consider the top tier in the race to currently be Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, and Ron Paul, then Ron Paul is currently 2nd in the top tier for endorsements.

If you look at Iowa, Ron Paul has 8 party officials. No other candidate has more than 1. While he has no endorsements from Iowa State Senators, he is tied for the number of State House officials and even has more than Romney. Only Bachmann has more "endorsement points" in Iowa and since she is not currently in the top tier. You could consider Ron Paul to be leading the top tier in endorsements for the crucial state of Iowa.

So while Ron Paul is trailing far behind Romney in "endorsement points" he is doing relatively well in Iowa which is really all that matters for him.
Barack Obama won Iowa and lost to Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire. Yeah, your right Phill, Iowa doesn't mean much. lolololol.
11-26-2011 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle
Ok that may be true, endorsements don't mean a lot. Since Ron Paul is WAY behind in that department, i'll take it as a good sign. I agree that such endorsements have gotten a lot less play this year.

But the whole point of "endorsement points" is to show institutional and party support. Rand Paul may be Ron Paul but he is certainly part of the Republican establishment now. His vote in the Senate counts as much as any other Senator's. He may not have as much influence but I'm sure him being in the Senate has enabled him to have political connections his father could not.
See, this is exactly what i mean. An hour ago Paul being third in endorsements was a sign he is surging well amongst the top tier (in one state). Now an hour later someone points out most of his endorsements are people who would always endorse him and he wont do much better and so because of this endorsements are suddenly worthless which is backed up by the fact that Paul is doing so badly getting them.

Its ridiculous circular logic with fanboi-ism. Paul doing well in one state but not the nation means that polls for the nation arent important but that one state is.
11-26-2011 , 10:23 AM
Did Nate Silver account for endorsements by cell phone?
11-26-2011 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle
So if you consider the top tier in the race to currently be Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, and Ron Paul, then Ron Paul is currently 2nd in the top tier for endorsements.

If you look at Iowa,
You brought up Iowa after talking about him being top tier as an aside.

      
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