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11-02-2011 , 03:32 PM
The funny thing is, if Cain drops off the radar Newt is next in line to be the "anyone but Romney".
11-02-2011 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory
True sexual harassment is reprehensible behavior and a symptom of a deeper underlying pathology and should disqualify anyone from high public office.
Lol, i do believe you just, or soon will, no true scotsman'ed sexual harassment.
11-02-2011 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cres
your argument does indeed have a Cain ring to it, for he is the man when it comes to comparing apples to oranges. He has no answer, just that these are apples, and those are oranges.

The $35K was paid to someone who's earning was $35K for an entire year. that makes her some sort of service worker, probably because he was in the restaurant association. Or maybe she was a typist or low level secretary.

Then he made claims it was maybe 2 or 3 months salary. That is a far cry from 12 months dummy up money. The longer the term, the guiltier the allegation generally. If it were a miscommunication, why so long. And we go back to his ability to be a manager, information flows up. yet he claims to not be aware. A general consensus is the doer sees nothing wrong with their actions, so even though something needed to be done to deflate the situation, he was misjudged, apples & oranges again.


So do you see how discussing Paula Jones, in relation to what a low level nobody received to shut up, is apples & oranges?

The real takaway from Cain is he is a lousy crisis manager. Is that who you want to be a commander in chief?
Paula Jones was a low level state employee, what's the difference (besides the $815K).
11-02-2011 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by cres
your argument does indeed have a Cain ring to it, for he is the man when it comes to comparing apples to oranges. He has no answer, just that these are apples, and those are oranges.

The $35K was paid to someone who's earning was $35K for an entire year. that makes her some sort of service worker, probably because he was in the restaurant association. Or maybe she was a typist or low level secretary.

Then he made claims it was maybe 2 or 3 months salary. That is a far cry from 12 months dummy up money.
From what I read of the plantiff's lawyer yesterday, it appeared the settlement was made with the Restaurant Association (the lawyer asked them , not Cain to drop the confidentially agreement) and not Cain himself. He might not know precisely what the terms of the settlement were.

The lawyer had misplaced the actual document so he didn't remember what the terms were or even Cain's name.
11-02-2011 , 03:44 PM
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Cain left Godfather's Pizza in 1996 and moved to Washington, D.C., to become CEO of the National Restaurant Association, a trade group and lobbying organization for the restaurant industry, on whose board of directors he had previously served. Cain's lobbying work for the Association led to a number of connections to Republican lawmakers and politicians.[39]
hmmmmmmmmmm, ceo of the association. yeah, he'd likely not know what is going on there.
11-02-2011 , 03:47 PM
Who has the time to remember all the sexual harassment complaints being lodged against you?
11-02-2011 , 03:56 PM
John Cole's opinion.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/11/02/cainmentum/

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I may be in the minority, but I don’t think Cain’s history of sexual harassment is going to hurt him at all with the GOP, and the insanity of the Republican party will really work to his favor in the short run, at least. Half of them have convinced themselves that this is just a liberal media hit job, and the rest of them think women are property, so I really don’t expect him to lose any support over this. If anything, in the short term, I expect him to gain ground. Wingnuts love crazy ****. It doesn’t matter if Cain has made any number of differing and contradictory statements about what happened, the fact that Cain is not handling this conventionally is all they need. They love a good show, and to them, Cain is fighting back! He’s not taking it! Plus, did you see him show them at the Press Club what he is made of when he broke into song?
So yeah, I don’t expect this to hurt him at all in the short term. What might hurt him is repeated gaffes like the China nukes screw-up or the multiple flip-flops over abortion last week. But abusing women? Hell, that’s the whole reason some Republicans get elected.


*** Update ***
This is what I mean:
The GOP presidential candidate was a bit touchy Wednesday when questioned by reporters about claims he sexually harassed two women in the late 1990’s during his time as head of the National Restaurant Association. “Don’t even bother asking me all of these questions,” Cain said to reporters.
Then the conservative businessman raised his voice.
“Excuse me,” Cain yelled. “What part of no do you not understand,” he asked.
The incident occurred inside a Northern Virginia hotel where Cain met with a group of conservative physicians.
You and I see that and see a guy a bit defensive and cranky because he has to address some past wrongdoings and doesn’t like it one bit.
Wingnuts see that and think “I love how Cain is standing up to the lamestream media. In your face, bitches!”


These folks are just wired differently.
11-02-2011 , 04:04 PM
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“Excuse me,” Cain yelled. “What part of no do you not understand,” he asked.
That's what she said.
11-02-2011 , 04:08 PM
I'm with Cole based on the support I've seen. I think there's a very ugly undercurrent of angry white males upset that they can't grope their secretaries because of those fancy New York lawyers with all their political correctness, and Cain just becomes another victim of the women's lib movement. This won't hurt him with his current supporters because his current supporters are pretty deeply immersed in the Rush-Hannityosphere.
11-02-2011 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mosdef
That's what she said.
lol'd
11-02-2011 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
And this is different than the Anthony Weiner's response:

The so-called Weinergate scandal provided a true spectacle of media bias and conspiracy theorizing. While there was certainly plenty of good reporting throughout, many opted to take Rep. Anthony Weiner's claims at face value and search for other culprits or scapegoats.

Others devised more malicious theories about why a lewd picture had appeared on the congressman's Twitter feed. It was Andrew Breitbart's attempt to gin up another bogus story, or a coordinated effort by conservatives to provide cover for Clarence Thomas. These wild theories actually gained quite a bit of traction among liberals online, and even a few mainstream personalities.

We know now, by Weiner's own admission, that they were all nonsense. So with the facts readily available, it's worth reviewing some of the dominant narratives that pervaded media coverage of the scandal.



Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/lac...#ixzz1ca41bi2i
11-02-2011 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mosdef
That's what she said.
11-02-2011 , 04:16 PM
Well, you know, except the Cain thing is known to be true and the scandal is a lot more significant than him sending pictures of his dick to women who wanted to see pictures of his dick. Hence having a legal settlement with them.
11-02-2011 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Well, you know, except the Cain thing is known to be true and the scandal is a lot more significant than him sending pictures of his dick to women who wanted to see pictures of his dick. Hence having a legal settlement with them.
Lol, the only thing we know about Cain is that there was a 35K settlement, well within the tolerance of paying off a nuisance complaint.
11-02-2011 , 04:25 PM
Twitter sez there's now a third woman alleging harassment
11-02-2011 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
And this is different than the Anthony Weiner's response
My recollection of the Weiner scandal:

1. Story breaks, and seems so bizarre that it is hard to believe.
2. Weiner issues some kind of wishy-washy denial, which takes the initial doubters aback and causes him to lose support.
3. Within 24-48 hours, more salacious details emerge and he admits it all.
11-02-2011 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Twitter sez there's now a third woman alleging harassment
It is kind of stunning that a politician thinks that he can get away with this kind of stuff. I guess Clinton kind of got away with it (he gained and retained office but took a huge hit.) The shirtless Craigslist guy packed it away early it looks like Cain is gonna take the Weiner route. Tons of embarrassment and finally packing it in.
11-02-2011 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
My recollection of the Weiner scandal:

1. Story breaks, and seems so bizarre that it is hard to believe.
2. Weiner issues some kind of wishy-washy denial, which takes the initial doubters aback and causes him to lose support.
3. Within 24-48 hours, more salacious details emerge and he admits it all.
Here is a Salon timeline. Initial reports on May 5th, resignation on June 16th. Hard to say exactly when he came clean because different allegations came rolling in, June 6th seems like the final mea culpa.
http://www.salon.com/2011/06/01/wein...ine/singleton/
11-02-2011 , 04:38 PM
Twitter also sez that rumors of something like this about Cain had circulated for a few weeks on the Presidential gossip scene and his campaign had a week's notice that Politico was gonna run their story. LOL Herman Cain.
11-02-2011 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Here is a Salon timeline. Initial reports on May 5th, resignation on June 16th
http://www.salon.com/2011/06/01/wein...ine/singleton/
Interesting, my memory fails me again.
11-02-2011 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
Anyone who seriously thinks this is either straight ******ed or completely blindsided by partisanship. This is going to hurt cain. He may come through it (hey it's possible!). But it's going to hurt.

The LOL WHY CONSPIRACY BRO is pretty damn funny too considering the Weiner debacle a few months ago.
11-02-2011 , 04:44 PM
Its amazing to me how badly politicians seem to handle these sorts of scandals. It seems like all Cain had to do was come out with a statement the second this thing started gaining any traction. Something like:

I was targeted by a frivolous lawsuit (or two?) over a decade ago. At the time I was advised by my lawyer that fighting the case would have cost more than the settlement amount. I am confident that had the suit continued all charges would have been found to be completely nonfactual, however I am a businessman and ultimately decided to do what made the most sense for me personally and financially.

Worded better obv, but this is exactly what happened with Weiner in many ways. A relatively not big deal (compared to other political scandals at least) is allowed to build into something of a media frenzy because repeated denials are exposed as false, which are then followed by minor concessions, which are found to be only partial truths and so on and so on. Before long the person loses all credibility, the public/media is speculating wildly and suddenly those speculations are the story. Do they really think this info is not going to surface one way or another once the media latches on to it? Just come out, tell the truth, control the story and move on with things.
11-02-2011 , 04:47 PM
The problem in assessing whether Cain is hurt by this is that "this" keeps changing.

When the story was limited to an account of a settlement, I thought it was a yawner.
Since then, we've had 24 hours of Cain making the predicament much worse, with a series of stupid statements.
Now, it appears that the story might continue indefinitely, with additional women emerging.
11-02-2011 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Twitter also sez that rumors of something like this about Cain had circulated for a few weeks on the Presidential gossip scene and his campaign had a week's notice that Politico was gonna run their story. LOL Herman Cain.
He needs to sell them books and fast.
11-02-2011 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Twitter also sez that rumors of something like this about Cain had circulated for a few weeks on the Presidential gossip scene and his campaign had a week's notice that Politico was gonna run their story. LOL Herman Cain.
Johnathon Martin from Politico gave him 10 days from their initial questioning. He then, on camera, tried to get a statement from Cain in the morning of the afternoon it broke. Cain's response was a question back, "Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment"

The Cain spin was to wait for the story before formulating a plan. He was on Bill'O's show last night, and the blowhard wouldn't even hard question him about the lack of foresight to establish a quick action response.

      
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