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Originally Posted by swinginglory
Agreed
I want to be sure I have this straight with all my lack of understanding: Putin shuts off the valve to Alemania and you loose 32% of your gas and 36% of your oil and everything is hunky-dory with the economy? gg Germany when that happens.
That's a pretty good hole card old Pooty has, don't ya think?
Not like you can't buy this stuff elsewhere if you really need it (at a price of course). Both can be transported via ships if need be (there are also some proposed projects to build a dedicated port for this FWIW). But yeah I think the threat is pretty minimal and like I said we're diversifying. Pretty likely a deal with someone could be brokered during the time we still have reserves.
Most importantly we have pretty good trade relations with Russia and people don't just shut down pipelines because they can. Would cost them a good chunk of money, too.
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As for the first bit, Germany doesnt care about the American troops there, it already has nuclear protection thanks to the NATO alliance via France, Britain and America itself.
We could even drop out of all alliances and be in a fairly good position game theory wise given that our neighbours have nukes. I mean France and Britain wouln't exactly be happy if some nukes struck us because radiation is a bitch.
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And, to your point, what "consequences" could Germany extract from Putin? Stop selling him Mercedes? I'm not suggesting Putin would do this just for the **** of it, but rather as a threat to stop Germany from developing nuclear weapons. I've gotta believe the French and Brits wouldn't be too crazy about that notion either considering recent history.
Lol how hard do you think it is to develop nukes? We have plenty of functioning nuclear power plants and there's a bunch of German companies that sell war material all over the place. You don't seem to understand the current ploitical situation at all. Lol at Russians or French fearing German nukes. Pretty sure they fear Pakistani nukes more. In fact Russians probably mistrust US nukes more, too.
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Originally Posted by swinginglory
Hi Phill,
Thanks for bolding that because everybody knows how good the Germans have been in keeping their treaty obligations.
The Treaty of Frankfurt (1871), the Treaty of Versailles (1919) and the Molotov- Ribbentrop Pacts (1939) all sez hai.......
Confirmed idiot I guess.
Maybe a new thread for this fairly off topic talk (kinda ontopic because I do support Paul because he wants the US troops gone from here). "Ramblings about international war politics" or something.
Last edited by clowntable; 10-15-2011 at 09:24 AM.