I think this is true. However, there was alot of talk about all of those "first time voters" who turned up to vote for Obama in '08. It'll be interesting to see if they show up again.

Yosemite Sam.........I mean Rick Perry.

Sorry guys, I get the two mixed up.

Even if he were doing well in office, no way Obama gets the same turnout as 2008 (maybe there's the same number of voters, but not the same in terms of first-time voters). And fundraising ties in because a lot of money in '08 went to registering & motivating voters.

The RNC just raised 8.17 million in August, their best ever non-election year haul for August.

Yea, I don't see how he could get more first time voters than 08, they did a great job recruiting.

I don't think he'll get the same number of voters either.(less)

IMO, when District 9 in NYC votes Republican that's a huge message that the Democratic party is in big trouble.

My point was mostly regarding polls which are generally misleading.

I admit I didn't know any of the candidates until I saw some footage on the Daily Show. But if people in the 9th district of NYC actually watched footage of those competing for the position then the Dem may have been rejected on his own merits. I've rarely seen a less charismatic candidate. He didn't live in the district. He seemed kind of nebbishy.

Pssh, people don't vote for the candidates in House races, esp. in special elections. People only vote depending on the president.

I have no idea what the norm is for district 9 but just under 60K people voted.

http://politisite.com/2011/09/13/new...r-vs-weprin-d/

My father is one of them.

We've talked a decent amount about Obama, and he feels similarly to me regarding him, but when I asked if he was going to vote for him again he said "I dunno, I'd have to think about it." He says he can't vote for a Republican because he's totally for organized labor (he used to be the president of his local).

Funny thing is though he's pretty racist and is always talking about Obama doing things for the blacks, but I guess he's more partisan than racist.

All politics is local, except when my argument depends on politics being national.

Special election turnouts are usually pretty low, when Weiner won in 2010, the turnout was 110,140.

I guess you didn't see a picture of the winner.

And for what its worth, I guess you never saw Anthony Weiner if you think the loser is nebbishy....

Thanks for that, I was really curious, you saved me a google search.

LOL, all Weiner' pix were from the waist down.

Weiner was relatively ripped. I seem to remember a facebook style mirror shot.

I still think he should have stood for re-election, i know a guy who lives in the district and he and everyone he knew didnt care about the scandal at all and would vote for him again if they could.

Ya! Cause with solid info like that, who needs polls?

Ouch. Among Republican voters, this can't help Romney:
"Jimmy Carter wants Mitt Romney to be the Republican nominee"

That is an epic strategy to try and get Perry the nomination

Romney may as well just withdraw right now, talk about the Kiss of Death.

Isn't this redundant?

Oh wait..

I would guess these folks are feeling pretty disillusioned with hope and change at this point in their lives.

It seemed like the whole idea of getting Dem control of the House/Senate in '06 was kinda the 'just wait it out, we'll do more when we have the presidency' period. And then the presidency came too. And then.. Uh, hey guys, we know we said to just wait it out, but can you do that again, please?

Obama couldn't round up his party, as is again proving to be an issue with conservative southern Dems, he hasn't provided much support to his base, he has pretty much just asked black voters to take it on the chin for 4 years... And now he wants another favor?

I don't see turnout being very high in the liberal camp, but I could be surprised. (I would say pleasantly surprised, but I think I'm gonna be a stay-home-and-not-vote-ocrat this coming cycle)

I've decided I'm voting for Ron Paul. I can't have a clear conscience voting for any of these other candidates. Perry is a crony capitalist, Romney has no principles, Bachmann is a liar, Santourum is a war monger, Cain doesn't have a clue about foreign policy, and Huntsman is a pussy.

This entire world economy is going right down the ****ing tubes and I'm sick to my stomach. I'm tired of the corruption, I'm tired of the wars, I'm tired of the bail outs, I'm tired of not having a job wishing I at least had unemployment benefits. This is bull****.

These lying politicians have been selling us the same horse **** for the last 40 years and Its made me sick to my stomach. Ron Paul is the only one with a consistent ideology. He's been saying the same **** for the last 30 years and he's been right about way too many things to be considered a crazy old fool.

I hope he wins and ****s everyone who's been leaching off the system for the last 70 years. I don't care how many public sector jobs he cuts or how many departments he cuts out anymore. And I'm sick and tired of the Federal Reserve acting like the 4th branch of government. I really could care less now if he ends them.

Before, I was hesitant. I thought the FED probably helped in some ways. It's clear to me now they've helped create this boondoggle and it's time for them to go.

A lot of people are gonna be pissed, they're going to lose their jobs, their government hand outs, and the stock market will probably be hurting a while. But it will be worth it. We will be free again. The market will heal and grow faster and stronger than ever. I have no more doubts.

Lead me to the promised land Ron Paul. I'll follow you every step of the way.

Way to come to your senses! Any time there is a revolution things will suck for a while and Ron Paul won't do everything right but when he does know what is best for the country he will do it unlike the rest of the politicians that often know they are screwing up the country but don't mind as long as they are making money and gaining power.

Electing a Republican congressman to be President ≠ a revolution.

I'm sure it's been discussed in the containment thread, but is there a consensus on RP's likely running mate?

Solid reasoning there.

Also, it's wrong. Takes balls to come out as pro-science while running for the Republican nomination, IMO.