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10-26-2011 , 05:30 PM

#8526

Barcalounger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caseycjc

Nah, I think we should close the pearly gates til the economy is straightened out.

pro tip - kicking out people trying to work will act counter to economy straightening.

10-26-2011 , 05:39 PM

#8527

Low Key

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Quote:

Bad numbers for Cain in all three states, starting to slip.

I will be referring to the sheep game predictions in the future

10-26-2011 , 05:41 PM

#8528

[Phill]

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barcalounger

pro tip - kicking out people trying to work will act counter to economy straightening.

This.

Its not only wrong but plainly and obviously wrong that migration is an economic negative.

Jobs arent a finite resource.

10-26-2011 , 06:05 PM

#8529

caseycjc

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Pro tip-follow the thread

10-26-2011 , 06:07 PM

#8530

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caseycjc

Pro tip-follow the thread

You cited that we're accepting a lot of immigrants. That's not evidence that we're admitting too many, or that admitting more would hurt the economy. In fact, admitting more would help the economy.

10-26-2011 , 06:14 PM

#8531

[Phill]

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America currently accepts X migrants per year.

Why is X better than X+1?

Sure that X is a big number, but so what? The size of it doesnt determine if its the correct number and given America is the worlds largest economy and a highly mature economy with a relatively small population its not surprising at all that it takes more migrants than lots of other countries.

So X is better than X+1? Why? What is the evidence for this, who worked this out and how?

This ignores entirely the fact it also sustains Y illegal migrants too.

10-26-2011 , 06:17 PM

#8532

caseycjc

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Never said we're admitting too many nor do I think we are, I was adding what I thought was important perspective.
I get the feeling that some folks think we don't want people immigrating to the US, thus the citing.

I guess I need to do an eye roll when attempting what I considered obvious sarcasm. (with regards to closing the pearly gates)

Last edited by caseycjc; 10-26-2011 at 06:23 PM.

10-26-2011 , 06:23 PM

#8533

brad2002tj

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Pure gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSlC7BxmSqY

10-26-2011 , 06:26 PM

#8534

Trolly McTrollson

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I just don't get the big deal with the Rubio thing. Okay, he fudged a date by a few years to gain cred with the Cuban immigrants. Doesn't seem like the kind off epic scandal that would disqualify him from a VP pick. Heck, it's possible he was just misremembering things.

10-26-2011 , 06:28 PM

#8535

prana

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brad2002tj

Pure gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSlC7BxmSqY

**** a doodle doo ma'am

wtf

10-26-2011 , 06:29 PM

#8536

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caseycjc

There is no such thing as obvious sarcasm when it comes to statements regarding immigration restrictions. The most absurd thing you can think of to say has already been said in a non-sarcastic manner, and there are far more absurd statements than you can possibly imagine getting made regularly.

10-26-2011 , 06:31 PM

#8537

caseycjc

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Thanks Wookie, I realized that when I saw the responses and I agree with you.

10-26-2011 , 06:48 PM

#8538

[Phill]

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Its polls like this that will decide if he gets an offer (something he repeatedly has said he would turn down regardless):

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...ellaneous.html

Quote:

Marco Rubio says he doesn't want to be the Republican Vice Presidential candidate next year and that might be just as well for the party- our polling indicates he wouldn't help deliver Florida. There are actually more voters in the state- 36%- who say Rubio on the ticket would make them less likely to vote for the GOP than there are- 30%- who say Rubio as the VP would enhance their chances of supporting the Republican candidate. 34% say it wouldn't make a difference to them either way.

I mean the details are funny, but whatever its one poll so ignore them, thats the stuff that is key though and if that is a realistic picture of him when the Reps have chosen their candidate there is little chance he is getting picked.

The stuff about his heritage is a minor story to lol at for a bit and its not even a minor scandal on the national stage - but it does directly influence those numbers and where the Cuban core of his constituency are effected that is how it becomes worth noticing.

Oh and this sub discussion started when Brons called him out for lying, which is 100% true. The wagons were circled when he did, but it doesnt make him less right. However whether this directly makes him ineligible, that is mostly wrong.

10-26-2011 , 06:50 PM

#8539

Chips Ahoy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Implant RFID chips for all VERIFIED citizens. Allow citizens to purchase licenses to shoot ILLEGALS* from Jan 5 - March 3 each year in the border states, Feb 1 - April 1 in the other states. These are the peak seasons for ILLEGALS to INVADE. Problem solved!

* anybody without an RFID chip

10-26-2011 , 07:09 PM

#8540

Trolly McTrollson

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"Scott Silverman, Chairman of the Board of VeriChip Corporation, has proposed implanting the company's RFID tracking tags in immigrant and guest workers. He made the statement on national television on May 16."

http://www.livescience.com/10498-pro...mmigrants.html

10-26-2011 , 07:15 PM

#8541

ErikTheDread

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ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

10-26-2011 , 07:26 PM

#8542

wil318466

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexM

I'd say running a sizable corporation is more qualification than being either a Senator or a Congressman. Governors are the nut high of course.

Can you explain why?

I'm really curious as to why something not related to another thing makes you better qualified to do that job. In fact, it can be argued that the two are opposite ends of the spectrum, and have huge conflicts of interest.

10-26-2011 , 07:36 PM

#8543

Trolly McTrollson

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I actually think being a Congressman gives you a good background in how to negotiate and get things done in DC. Being a CEO gives you leadership xp, but you can just fire people who disagree with you. The POTUS can't fire Senators, he has to work with people who have fundamentally different priorities.

Knowing the mechanics and the who's-who in DC is also helpful.

10-26-2011 , 07:39 PM

#8544

The 13th 4postle

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POLITICO: My family's flight from Castro
by Marco Rubio

Quote:

The Washington Post on Friday accused me of seeking political advantage by embellishing the story of how my parents arrived in the United States.

That is an outrageous allegation that is not only incorrect, but an insult to the sacrifices my parents made to provide a better life for their children. They claim I did this because “being connected to the post-revolution exile community gives a politician cachet that could never be achieved by someone identified with the pre-Castro exodus, a group sometimes viewed with suspicion.”

If The Washington Post wants to criticize me for getting a few dates wrong, I accept that. But to call into question the central and defining event of my parents’ young lives – the fact that a brutal communist dictator took control of their homeland and they were never able to return – is something I will not tolerate.

My understanding of my parents’ journey has always been based on what they told me about events that took place more than 50 years ago — more than a decade before I was born. What they described was not a timeline, or specific dates.

They talked about their desire to find a better life, and the pain of being separated from the nation of their birth. What they described was the struggle they faced growing up, and their obsession with giving their children the chance to do the things they never could....

In February 1961, my mother took my older siblings to Cuba with the intention of moving back. My father was wrapping up family matters in Miami and was set to join them.

But after just a few weeks, it became clear that the change happening in Cuba was not for the better. It was communism. So in late March 1961, just weeks before the Bay of Pigs invasion, my mother and siblings left Cuba and my family settled permanently in the United States.

Soon after, Castro officially declared Cuba a Marxist state. My family has never been able to return.

I am the son of immigrants and exiles, raised by people who know all too well that you can lose your country. By people who know firsthand that America is a very special place.

My father spent the last 50 years of his life separated from the nation of his birth. Separated from his two brothers, who died in Cuba in the 1980s. Unable to show us where he played baseball as a boy. Where he met my mother. Unable to visit his parents’ grave.

My mother has spent the last 50 years separated from her native land as well. Unable to take us to her family’s farm, to her schools or to the notary office where she married my father.

10-26-2011 , 07:45 PM

#8545

cres

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexM

I'd say running a sizable corporation is more qualification than being either a Senator or a Congressman. Governors are the nut high of course.

I'd submit that the current crop of DC delegates should stop trying to perform their jobs as businesses. Its what has caused them to be in perpetual campaign mode, always performing for their supper. They pander to anyone who might buy a ticket, even the latest TP elected whine about the low wage, and the need for more.

Public service is far removed from stock options.

10-27-2011 , 12:07 AM

#8546

vixticator

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When Romney wins IA, NH, & SC does everyone except Ron Paul drop out?

10-27-2011 , 12:12 AM

#8547

kimoser22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I actually think being a Congressman gives you a good background in how to negotiate and get things done in DC. Being a CEO gives you leadership xp, but you can just fire people who disagree with you. The POTUS can't fire Senators, he has to work with people who have fundamentally different priorities.

Knowing the mechanics and the who's-who in DC is also helpful.

You would be more cynical if you knew what this means (or at least what people on the hill think it means, which pretty much has the same effect)

10-27-2011 , 04:09 AM

#8548

LirvA

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Cain's emergence is so surprising to me. I don't care what the polls say I'm never taking him seriously.

10-27-2011 , 04:55 AM

#8549

goofball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Cain's emergence is so surprising to me. I don't care what the polls say I'm never taking him seriously.
.

Yeah. Definitely don't listen to polls, because the republicans 100%* focus on competence when selecting their candidates.

*For some exceptions see bush, palin, bachmann, frothy, and just to troll LirvA, Paul.