It's odd that people think right-wing terrorism in the US is anything new.

What was McVeigh? What was Eric Roberts?

People don't think that other than people who don't pay attention or are drinking the Kool-Aid?

A lot of it doesn’t make the headlines. I found a section of the southern poverty law center’s website that had a list of all white supremicist terror related crimes that had been committed or prevented in recent years and it was a long list.

These people that think it's "new" are just only watching fox news/on facebook, or nothing at all. Low info people don't have much info.

I really think it's important we maintain a list of this stuff, contrasted with legitimate left-wing nutjobs - for the next time the right goes crazy when the off left-wing nutjob appears.

As someone pointed out above, the SCLC has been doing it for years, but the mainstream press refuses to take them seriously because it's owned by the rich bastards who are the source of the problem (from Bezos to Koch to everyone in between).

Eric Roberts has been in some bad movies but I think calling that terrorism is stretching it.

Now Shia Labeouf, his career is a terrorist attack on society.

I'm pretty sure a little plastic surgery would only cost a few thousand dollars. You don't have to be rich to get it, anyone with a credit card could probably pay for a little work.

lol was curious about that, too

guess he means Eric Rudolph

I know I'm ranting about this, but this here is a bad impulse. It's not like dangerous, just a waste of time. Liberals / the left need to get it out of their heads that you're middle managers making a sales presentation to the Deplorable Board. There's no Wiki, no list, no PowerPoint slide deck, no font, no fade in animation that is going to convince your deplorable oppponets on CP or anywhere else that the right is trying to use violence to intimidate minorities and their political opponents. They're transparently gleeful about it, that's why they are clutching their guns and revelling in gun culture. They are telling on themselves. To intimidate you.

We are not lacking quantification. They will not listen. They know. Stop assuming they don't.

I'm inclined to agree with the above, but maybe we should try an experiment.

DVaut1, what do you think could be gained if an extremely bright cat like yourself posted in a Chiefsplanet-type forum? Like you do here, with all the tact and measured replies?

Maybe you could genuinely get some to stop and think?

I'm over there posting lol, but I dunno wtf I'm doing mostly

Christ, what?!

Let's try a different experiment: get off of Chiefsplanet.

lol yeah?

you've prolly experimented with that type engagement before

All of us: "these people love posting pictures of their glock collection, watching Fox News non-stop, trading in Turner Diary style race war fantasies, reveling in nihilist humor on 4chan, and whenever one of their goons shoots up blacks or Jews or sends bombs through the mail, they seem oddly disassociated with it and engage in some kinda dumb deflective rhetoric?"

Some of you: "what if we remind them of Timothy McVeigh? Or make a BETTER list?"



The cops and the authorities are still lackadaisical cracking black and Jewish skulls, and so "these people seem oddly nonchalant each and every time this happens?" might be a big warning sign that, go with me here, they ...wanted...this? The gun nuttery, the gleeful racism, the dehumanizing jokes, the demand for more drastic cop actions, the indifference when black people and Jews are shot.

That's not a nice thing to think about your online friends but it becomes an inescapable conclusion, I think, when you examine everything they say in total. They're willing to bargain on getting legal apartheid and a police state to get the boots to the throats of the people they don't like -- they're willing to work with you to set that up -- but if not that, they're going to sit on the sidelines and smirk as they launder their violence onto crazy people or militias or whatever else, most of them seem to be working up the courage to participate themselves, you aren't going to shake em and wake em up, THEY WANT THIS. That's what they're talking about all the time. Give em a little credit.

I think the human psyche is fluid, so to forsake people is an idea.

if they are intractable in such numbers and wield massive power, and the power to corrupt future minds through propaganda, wat is the answer?

eta: I've read numerous times in this sub-forum that they're dying-out. I dunno about that.

Look, let's face it, if tens of millions of people want a race war and violent retribution against their political enemies, I don't think you're going to shake em with Discourse and maybe you can't stop it. The world doesn't work like that. There's a lot of big social forces at work and if we could simply impart our will and stop mass social forces from happening, we'd all live in utopia. Good people would just will it and Discourse it and poof, nice things would happen.

Part of the overarching and unfortunate liberal libertarian mindset that deeply affects us all is the idea that you, yourself, with your Discourse and lists and empiricism are supposed to go out into the world and minister to deplorables and if you didn't, try harder.

There are options through the system, we've talked about em ad nauseum:

- activate passive people who share your ideals but are not engaged
- ending residential segregation, NIMBYism, fixing residential zoning that allows rich and old whites to live ensconced and entirely separate from the public
- tax the **** out of corporations and rich people so they don't have ever more resources to conjure up anger and resentment
- regulate media so it doesn't have endless reach and authority to profit from flattering violent and racist impulses
- at least take their guns away or alternatively help start ****ing arming minorities to the teeth to protect themselves (the one thing that actually got gun control moving)

If those fail, and they might -- see above that we can't just magically enforce our will on a situation -- you might need to move onto undesirable second tier options like revolting/striking, leaving, preparing to fight.

Maybe you gamble a lot of the angry racist people are actually in fact themselves deeply distracted, not that mobile, idiots who don't mean it and hope the fascist fervor atrophies. A lot of them are older than 60 and their hearts might not be that into it, hence why they rely so much on propaganda organs and sociopathic mentally ill people to carry out their desires. Like most people, a lot of them want it but won't want to get their hands dirty, better to launder it to cops and front-line soldiers.

And so maybe this all resolves itself over a miserable generation where some people die and some combustible stuff happens but it's like the last 10 years where it's just sort of the thing that happens to a few thousand people but on the whole we evolve to some other social structure once the Boomers die off. That might happen.

I don't have all the answers but take one big step back and it's pretty clear WHY another list, another history lesson, another Wiki isn't going to help. If that's how you want to spend your time, maybe it feels better, but my lord do not wonder why a better list won't work. Once you accept the blood of their political opponents and the racial/religious minorities they don't like spilled on the streets makes them happy, gives em hope that these people might get intimidated and leave the political scene, quiet down, accept white people at the top of the power hierarchy -- and literally every single piece of evidence going back years and years suggests precisely that -- then it becomes insane to assume a better presented list will work. It's not a problem with quantification. That political violence in the US is deeply asymmetrical probably makes them happy, it's what they want.

thanks, mang.

Moved the Chiefsplanet Discussion here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/4.../#post54420062

'character assassins' has to be the best example of 'liberal words are violence while conservative violence is just words'