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Who was the greatest US President? Who was the greatest US President?
View Poll Results: Who was the greatest US President?
Donald J. Trump
3 14.29%
Donald J. Trump
4 19.05%
Donald J. Trump
5 23.81%
Donald J. Trump
4 19.05%
Donald J. Trump
4 19.05%
Donald J. Trump
7 33.33%
Donald J. Trump
6 28.57%
Donald J. Trump
6 28.57%
George W. Bush
7 33.33%
Donald J. Trump
8 38.10%

01-21-2019 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Hard to argue against FDR....he wasn't perfect, but his administration was the impetus for a modern, (mostly) just America
Yes. The putting Americans of Japanese descent in concentration camps, keeping Jews fleeing the Nazis from entering the country, tariffs, price controls, policies that encouraged wage rigidity, and raising taxes in a depression were terrific and just. I like how he encouraged people to snitch on store owners who didn't sell Blue Eagle crap. Great hero of civil liberties.
01-21-2019 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
Carter puts solar panels on the White House
Reagan tears them down
I always wonder how different the world and the US would look if Reagan hadn't done that, but rather tried to build on it

I wonder the same thing if Jimmy Carter had been re-elected. He dealt with the Soviets passive-aggressively by just not talking to them. He thought the way to deal with inflation was to raise taxes in an economic downturn. He kept price controls on gas which caused shortages and then thought a better way to deal with shortages with a windfall profits tax.

I sure miss tension with the Soviet Union, gas lines, and the double digit inflation that Carter opted not to start addressing until Reagan made it a campaign issue. America would be so much better if we stayed the Carter course and looked like France.

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Originally Posted by lol_at_you
Just read White House Diary and see how the seriousness in which he took his responsibility to make educated and just decisions is in such stark contrast to the Republican Presidents who have followed him.
Ummm... I guess serious policy thinker Jimmy Carter didn't have access to freshman economics textbooks at that time.

We live in the future. We can see Jimmy Carter made terrible decision after terrible decision and the decisions of his Republican successor were generally correct.

Last edited by glenrice1; 01-21-2019 at 07:29 PM.
01-21-2019 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Fossilkid93
Guy before Lincoln #1
Lincoln #Last

Country would be amazing without the South.
worst take itt
01-21-2019 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by glenrice1
I wonder the same thing if Jimmy Carter had been re-elected. He dealt with the Soviets passive-aggressively by just not talking to them. He thought the way to deal with inflation was to raise taxes in an economic downturn. He kept price controls on gas which caused shortages and then thought a better way to deal with shortages with a windfall profits tax.

I sure miss tension with the Soviet Union, gas lines, and the double digit inflation that Carter opted not to start addressing until Reagan made it a campaign issue. America would be so much better if we stayed the Carter course and looked like France.



Ummm... I guess serious policy thinker Jimmy Carter didn't have access to freshman economics textbooks at that time.

We live in the future. We can see Jimmy Carter made terrible decision after terrible decision and the decisions of his Republican successor were generally correct.
You misunderstand all of this. Carter/Volcker prevented runaway inflation by bravely raising interest rates. The Reagan/Greenspan era of economics has been to push interest rates down and down and down almost regardless of the state of the economy and the GOP adds huge tax cuts to the mix and huge spending. Their economic policy is based purely on short term adrenaline rushes and never prudent policy during periods of economic growth.

Carter had the freshman economics textbooks, but he also had the more advanced ones.

And what the **** did Reagan do to the Soviets? How do conservatives simultaneously hold the theories that communism sucks and can't sustain itself and at the same time Reagan blew it up?
01-21-2019 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by glenrice1
Ummm... I guess serious policy thinker Jimmy Carter didn't have access to freshman economics textbooks at that time.
We can see Jimmy Carter made terrible decision after terrible decision and the decisions of his Republican successor were generally correct.
Trickle down was correct? lolque
01-21-2019 , 08:24 PM
Lol at all these non-Lincoln answers.
01-21-2019 , 08:32 PM
Carter continued negotiating with the Soviets (SALT) until they invaded Afghanistan. After that he initiated a military expansion in response. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

We've let the Right re-write the Carter story and it's a huge lie. Instead of being ashamed of Carter we should embrace what he stood for and correct the record.

BTW not suggesting Carter is the greatest, just that he is way under rated.
01-21-2019 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lol_at_you
Carter continued negotiating with the Soviets (SALT) until they invaded Afghanistan. After that he initiated a military expansion in response. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

We've let the Right re-write the Carter story and it's a huge lie. Instead of being ashamed of Carter we should embrace what he stood for and correct the record.

BTW not suggesting Carter is the greatest, just that he is way under rated.
Carter 2020? He’s not that much older than Bernie...
01-21-2019 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Carter 2020? He’s not that much older than Bernie...
In between those age extremes we have Jerry Brown.
01-21-2019 , 09:47 PM
1. George Washington. The chance of the experiment in democracy lasting more than a few years was small. But thanks to him it did.

Close second. Lincoln. Not for keeping the country together but for bringing freedom to many more people.

3. Grant. Not for his presidency, but for being the real instrument that allowed Lincoln to bring freedom to many more people.

Best wishes,
Mason
01-22-2019 , 01:54 AM
I'll say FDR over Lincoln and Washington in a three man race.
01-22-2019 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by corvette24
I'll say FDR over Lincoln and Washington in a three man race.
I have go with Lincoln. All presidents have huge black marks. It is the nature of job. But Washington's (owning slaves) and FDR's (internment) are huge unforced errors. Lincoln, his black marks are mainly suspension of haebeus corpus and not prioritizing ending slavery over maintenance of the union. Those are really pale gray marks compared to so many presidents, and they are difficult judgment calls in an extremely difficult situation.
01-22-2019 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Especially since he's a monumental badass building houses and defeating the grim reaper at 94. He could dog walk Trump tomorrow.
Carter can walk Trump's dog? I didn't even know that Trump has a dog.

Learn something new every day.
01-22-2019 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Hard to argue against FDR....he wasn't perfect, but his administration was the impetus for a modern, (mostly) just America
socialist.

must i cite?
01-22-2019 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
Lyndon B. Johnson. Think he was better than many think.
created massive entitlement society

See FDR also
01-22-2019 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Infrastructure, accomplishments, and prosperity, it's hard to argue with FDR.

Abe Lincoln I think is the president who was the best politician in terms of getting backroom deals and working with people and governing a completely ungovernable nation.

George Washington the nuts for raw leadership. Dude had a mutinous unpaid Continental Army with divided loyalties and he convinced them to march through the winter to fight a superpower. Like how the **** did he pull that off.

In terms of mass, Taft GOAT.
FDR gave us ridiculous government massiveness. For what? Building roads? Also incited Pearl Harbor and sent Jews back to Europe. No thanks.

Lincoln- Hmmm. Income tax. Fake paper money. No Habeas Corpus. Invaded a sovereign country. Sic Semper Tyraninis.

Washington GOAT
01-22-2019 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I can think of a guy who started his term on the brink of depression, finished it with a thriving economy due at least in part to the action of the federal government, only started and finished one new war, started with 100k+ troops in military action and finished with a small fraction of that, and never interned a large group of American citizens or owned slaves. Not an incredibly great record, but perhaps the best we got. Either Obama or Carter.

Carter really does get a bad rap. The economy was pretty ****ed when he started. Nixon had just ended the gold standard, there was the Nixon shock, price controls, inflation was already starting to spiral out of control, and if it weren't for making really hard and painful decisions there could have been some serious ****. Also, didn't really start any wars. And lots of lesser known, but very important social and civil rights programs.
Carter- 18% interest. Let 52 Americans be held for 444 days in Iran. Failed to Entebbe them out. Worst Prez ever imo Seriously, before this happened my parents told me the most valuable thing on earth was an American passport lolz
01-22-2019 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Massively cutting taxes and financial regulations while increasing spending regardless of the economic situation is the way the party that the party that gives zero ****s about the future deals with the economy and then a Dem has to clean up the mess.

Reagan was horrible.
I voted for Mondale. I was young. I was at Berkeley.

Reagan was the GOAT.
01-22-2019 , 02:34 AM
I'm going to go with JFK or Obama... yaya JFK was a womanizer and all and maybe his foreign policies weren't great... but he championed Civil Rights...

And Obama helped bring about equal rights in form of SCOTUS gay marriage decision.
01-22-2019 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by renodoc
I voted for Mondale. I was young. I was at Berkeley.

Reagan was the GOAT.
You really wanna rail about big government when it comes to FDR and then turn around and say Reagan? lol

Spoiler:
Reagan did the thing that wasn't shrinking govt.
01-22-2019 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by renodoc
I voted for Mondale. I was young. I was at Berkeley.

Reagan was the GOAT.
I voted for Dukakis when I was young at Berkeley.
01-22-2019 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
I'm going to go with JFK or Obama... yaya JFK was a womanizer and all and maybe his foreign policies weren't great... but he championed Civil Rights...

And Obama helped bring about equal rights in form of SCOTUS gay marriage decision.

Obama had nothing to do with it. It was the result of lower court judges, mostly Reagan appointees, declaring defense of marriage laws unconstitutional.
01-22-2019 , 10:36 AM
Lol @ that

Kagan and Sotomayor made up 40% of the majority opinion of Obergefell vs. Hodges.
01-22-2019 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I have go with Lincoln. All presidents have huge black marks. It is the nature of job. But Washington's (owning slaves) and FDR's (internment) are huge unforced errors. Lincoln, his black marks are mainly suspension of haebeus corpus and not prioritizing ending slavery over maintenance of the union. Those are really pale gray marks compared to so many presidents, and they are difficult judgment calls in an extremely difficult situation.
FDR also used war as an opportunity to shred the implicit constitutional term limit and install himself as, effectively, president for life. The fact that he died during the war was very good for his legacy.
01-22-2019 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
FDR also used war as an opportunity to shred the implicit constitutional term limit and install himself as, effectively, president for life. The fact that he died during the war was very good for his legacy.
Agree with FDR on policy or not, good point.

      
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