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Old 02-13-2018, 11:47 PM   #201
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Re: When is it time to GTFO?

Nich, how does any of this seem doomsday prepper to you? There's a good handful of countries that are at least arguably if not clearly better places to live than the US aorn, including yours.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:11 AM   #202
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There are a number of stops between here and concentration camps that may warrant relocating. And interestingly, even in that worst case scenario there are usually many stops along the way where people absolutely believe it won’t get as bad as it does, like right up until it does.

But you are probably right. Nothing like that could ever happen here. Americans are just too exceptional. Smart. Tough. Freedom loving. Brave. It’s right in the song, ffs.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:16 AM   #203
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Um, if I lived in Russia I'd be trying like hell to GTFO.
Maybe so, but there'd have been no real need to preemptively plan your escape.

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Nich, how does any of this seem doomsday prepper to you? There's a good handful of countries that are at least arguably if not clearly better places to live than the US aorn, including yours.
The OP invoked the spectre of Nazi Germany, while Trolly claimed that minorities should have already had an emergency escape plan. Let's not be obtuse and pretend this is a thread about discussing what the nicest places to live are. This is about people who genuinely fear that Trump is some kind of proto-Hitler.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:24 AM   #204
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If you want to argue that Trump is slowly undermining democratic norms in such a way that the probability of the US falling into authoritarianism in the next few decades is somewhat higher, then I don't really disagree.

However, if you genuinely think that it's a worthwhile use of your time (in an instrumental way, not like a "haha how would you prepare for a zombie apocalypse" kind of way) to have a plan to move before Eternal Leader Trump sends you to a concentration camp, then you really are just as deluded as any other doomsday prepper. Even if your fears were totally justified and Trump managed to turn the US into a clone of Putin's Russia, Putin isn't sending random internet forum posters to the Gulag or preventing them from leaving Russia. To be in genuine danger as a random citizen the US would have to become a totalitarian police state like North Korea, and if that happened, nowhere else in the world would be safe anyway.
i agree. i think it's much more likely that vast areas of the country fall into a state of lawlessness and armed militias start going door to door ethnic cleansing like they did in yugoslavia less than 30 years ago. i mean, why else are these militias hoarding weapons? they're waiting for their chance to strike. and i'm a little worried trump might let that happen, sure. i'm a worrier.

if he tries to bloody kim's nose and kim detonates a nuke in sub orbit frying our entire power grid i'm walking across the ice to canada, i don't have faith that trump will stop his base from taking their country back for real.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:34 AM   #205
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i agree. i think it's much more likely that vast areas of the country fall into a state of lawlessness and armed militias start going door to door ethnic cleansing like they did in yugoslavia less than 30 years ago. i mean, why else are these militias hoarding weapons? they're waiting for their chance to strike. and i'm a little worried trump might let that happen, sure. i'm a worrier.

if he tries to bloody kim's nose and kim detonates a nuke in sub orbit frying our entire power grid i'm walking across the ice to canada, i don't have faith that trump will stop his base from taking their country back for real.
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict there won't be an apocalypse in the next 3-7 years.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:36 AM   #206
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:21 AM   #207
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I'm going to go out on a limb and predict there won't be an apocalypse in the next 3-7 years.
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:48 AM   #208
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There are a number of stops between here and concentration camps that may warrant relocating. And interestingly, even in that worst case scenario there are usually many stops along the way where people absolutely believe it wonít get as bad as it does, like right up until it does.

But you are probably right. Nothing like that could ever happen here. Americans are just too exceptional. Smart. Tough. Freedom loving. Brave. Itís right in the song, ffs.
Yes, in the many, many historical examples of long-established democracies falling into dictatorship! They too, were preceded by a devastating war the elimination of the free press the President being crude in his public statements.

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Oh wow, the fact it's hard to make a proper bet on an apocalypse means it must be likely!
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:51 AM   #209
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Yes, in the many, many historical examples of long-established democracies falling into dictatorship! They too, were preceded by a devastating war the elimination of the free press the President being crude in his public statements.



Oh wow, the fact it's hard to make a proper bet on an apocalypse means it must be likely!
Dude, the President of the United States declared the media an enemy of the American people.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:00 AM   #210
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If you characterize the sum of Trump's detrimental behavior as just crude public statements, you are either very under informed, arguing in bad faith, or in the cult.

dat locker room talk
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:12 AM   #211
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Dude, the President of the United States declared the media an enemy of the American people.

He also said he was going to prosecute his main opponent! And in a blatant violation of the First Amendment, he also promised at campaign rallies that everyone was going to be saying "Merry Christmas" again! This Trump fella sounds like he'd be ultra dangerous if he ever got into office!
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:16 AM   #212
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If you characterize the sum of Trump's detrimental behavior as just crude public statements, you are either very under informed, arguing in bad faith, or in the cult.

dat locker room talk
It's snark, not what I literally believe.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:20 AM   #213
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:51 AM   #214
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Yes, in the many, many historical examples of long-established democracies falling into dictatorship! They too, were preceded by a devastating war the elimination of the free press the President being crude in his public statements.
Actually that is one of the things usually. Along with a lot of others that have already happened. I am too tired to list them, they are obvious though.

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Oh wow, the fact it's hard to make a proper bet on an apocalypse means it must be likely!
That was a joke. The joke was that if it happens we wonít be able to tell you you were wrong, not that it was likely because itís hard to predict.

Itís also not more likely to happen because you donít think it will and people always think it wonít before it does, but people always think it wonít before it does.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:09 AM   #215
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Actually that is one of the things usually.
Just like how Silvio Berlusconi is dictator-for-life in Italy.

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Along with a lot of others that have already happened. I am too tired to list them, they are obvious though.
I'm sure the margin is too small to contain it.

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That was a joke. The joke was that if it happens we wonít be able to tell you you were wrong, not that it was likely because itís hard to predict.

Itís also not more likely to happen because you donít think it will and people always think it wonít before it does, but people always think it wonít before it does.
But that's true of literally every apocalyptic prediction. And what they've got going for them is a terrible track record.
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Old 02-14-2018, 05:09 AM   #216
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I'm going to go out on a limb and predict there won't be an apocalypse in the next 3-7 years.
I don't think there will be an apocalypse but i think the situation is worse than people realize.Russia has gone rogue. we are at the beginning of a technological explosion and a demographic cliff.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:36 AM   #217
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Trump's stupidity is our own saving grace. If he was a smooth political operator, he'd be much further on his way to becoming a dictator operating a banana republic.

Unfortunately the day will come when somebody just as malicious but far more intelligent becomes POTUS. That's the day we should all fear.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:47 AM   #218
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Trump's stupidity is our own saving grace. If he was a smooth political operator, he'd be much further on his way to becoming a dictator operating a banana republic.

Unfortunately the day will come when somebody just as malicious but far more intelligent becomes POTUS. That's the day we should all fear.
That's why it's imperative to reduce concentrated authority whenever a non-authoritarian is in office. Cut the military, prisons, police and spying. Don't let the potus take more power just because they are cool.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:34 AM   #219
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Just like how Silvio Berlusconi is dictator-for-life in Italy.



I'm sure the margin is too small to contain it.



But that's true of literally every apocalyptic prediction. And what they've got going for them is a terrible track record.
Iím pretty sure since you still are treating an obvious, then explained joke like a point worth debating, this is a waste of time. But here:
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If you go to the U.S. Holocaust Museum, you can see a sign hanging there that tells you what to look for if youíre worried that your country may be slipping into fascism. Letís take a look at their twelve early warning signs of fascism


https://www.google.com/amp/s/washing...f-fascism/amp/

If you canít find your own blatant examples of these there are some links for you in the article.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:45 AM   #220
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Should have seen that strawman coming. I am not at all saying that you should not protest or criticise Trump. I am saying in that even in the fantastically unlikely event that Trump is able to do to a ~250 year old democracy what Putin was able to do to an always-authoritarian regime, you're still very unlikely to be in any real danger. So the only way this doomsday prepper talk makes any sense is if you think there's a realistic chance that the US turns into North Korea, which is even more ridiculous.
You don't have to be in physical danger to not want to live in such a country.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:23 PM   #221
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Haven't had the full Nichlemn experience in a while. Feels bad man.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:24 PM   #222
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You don't have to be in physical danger to not want to live in such a country.
This. I don't want to live in a country where 40% of the people are in a brainwashed racist cult. It bums me out. I'd rather be somewhere else.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:26 PM   #223
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rome was a republic for 500 years
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:33 PM   #224
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This. I don't want to live in a country where 40% of the people are in a brainwashed racist cult. It bums me out. I'd rather be somewhere else.
I self-banned from 2p2 for a week and it calmed me down. Still listened to Pod Save America and kept track of the news but staying away from deplorable arguments and severing contact with said deplorables was pretty helpful.

Give it a go and see if you're less bummed out.

As for getting the **** out, I definitely don't regret it. Not that life is super-awesome in Scotland but having to deal with a ****ty next door neighbor is tolerable when compared to having 40% of your country enamored with a far-right cult.

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Old 02-14-2018, 02:40 PM   #225
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I'm in Mexico right now, been traveling for 2 months out of a planned year in Latin America. Much less bummed out!
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