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02-16-2018 , 12:04 PM

#276

Max Cut

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lol

Is the "large corporation" you are currently working for a government (or supported by a government)?

02-16-2018 , 12:09 PM

#277

Johnny Truant

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Omg! Do you drive, like a sports car??

02-16-2018 , 01:20 PM

#278

ScreaminAsian

For President

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my job is average american business man, thanks to mr donald trump. i enjoy baseball and pie from apples. very much i dislike mrs secretary hillary clinton as every thinking patriot does

02-16-2018 , 02:07 PM

#279

goofball

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Maybe it's not Trump. Maybe I'll find someone to live where my kid isn't at risk of getting shot but some NRA nut at school.

02-16-2018 , 02:12 PM

#280

jcorb

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!

Are you working your job ITT?

that information is classified

"...Is the "large corporation" you are currently working for a government (or supported by a government)?,,,"

Also classified on a need to know basis only.

And I do drive a sports car, and a motorcycle, and a new pick-up truck with a giant AMERICAN V8!

The sooner liquid dinosaur fuel is all used up the better our lives will become. The air will be clean and the world will be powered by natural methane generated by unicorn farts.

No one will need to GTFO of anywhere. Trump will move on, Oprah will be in charge. We can all join hands, stare at rainbows and sing kumbaya.

Screamin Asian gets it. I nominate him for next president. (Hillary is out of office by the way)

02-16-2018 , 02:15 PM

#281

Max Cut

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Do you work for Internet Research Agency? Where you indicted today?

02-16-2018 , 02:21 PM

#282

JoeC2012

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Truant

Omg! Do you drive, like a sports car??

It always makes me laugh when a blatant troll question gets answered earnestly.

02-16-2018 , 02:23 PM

#283

Johnny Truant

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Is using “parents’ basement”as an insult trending again online? Seems less than cutting edge, but you would know more than I.

Last edited by Johnny Truant; 02-16-2018 at 02:44 PM.

02-16-2018 , 02:25 PM

#284

jcorb

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Ha! I laugh at your puny American indictments.

'...you are going to get a call from your boss and I'm going to walk out of here...'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ8oG6q37gk

02-16-2018 , 02:27 PM

#285

jcorb

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeC2012

It always makes me laugh when a blatant troll question gets answered earnestly.

and isn't making people laugh what it is all about?

02-16-2018 , 02:46 PM

#286

jcorb

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and I did not knowingly participate in any illegal activity.

02-16-2018 , 03:16 PM

#287

markksman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nichlemn

The best argument that Trump isn’t leading the US into authoritarianism is what he hasn’t done.

For instance, you might say “Trump did XYZ, and isn’t this troubling?” and I’d probably agree! But in the grand scheme of all troubling things that Presidents have done only to have democracy survived unscathed, is XYZ really that unprecedently problematic? Probably not.

If Trump really was leading the US into authoritarianism, what should we be seeing? Events like...

- Trump going through on his campaign promise to go after Hillary Clinton (and maybe other opponents, too).
- Unprecedented attempts to increase executive power.
- Journalists and news organisations critical of Trump mysteriously come under investigation.
- The Russia investigation ends suspiciously quickly.
- Shocking election irregularities in special elections.
- John McCain’s brain cancer “resolves early”.

By contrast, if Trump tweets an attack on the media, but doesn’t make the slightest attempt to actually do anything to them, then it seems pretty clearly to be cheap talk/bluster, with the main purpose being to signal to his base that “Hey, I hate the liberal media just like you do!”

Consider: ignoring his public statements, is the Trump Administration really that much different from how say, a Rubio Administration would have been? Maybe the immediate travel ban may have seemed a little out-of-character, but other than that, it’s been pretty standard so far as a Republican administration goes.

He has tried to do ALL of those things you whackadoodle.

02-16-2018 , 03:20 PM

#288

ScreaminAsian

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the secret government has a cure for brain cancer and they only choose to use it when there’s a fascist takeover

02-16-2018 , 05:44 PM

#289

Hero Protagonist

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofball

We've all seen holocaust movies and wondered why those people simply didn't leave. Obviously it's not that simple, leaving your home forever isn't easy, and who can judge any of those who didn't leave.

Also, we're obviously nowhere near hitler/holocaust territory, but that's kind of the point. Long before it's actually better to leave USA#1, we should clarify our thinking about what the "gtfo" conditions might look like. My wife and I had the first serious conversation about what that scenario might look like the other night. The theory is that humans adapt, so it's better to lay out criteria in advance. So in that vein, here are some specific criteria that might be reason to GTFO.

- Significant and baseless ignoring of midterm election results by Trump with the support of the Republican party
- Someone goes to jail for saying bad/mean things about Trump
- A journalist is actually killed by the Trump admin
- Trump succeeds in fully purging LEO agencies of non jackboots

I mean, we're getting uncomfortably close to some softer ones..
- Trump ignores laws (passed by near unanimous majorities nonetheless) with zero reprocussions
- Sham investigations into Trump's enemies

*Grunch

This is a post that could only be made by someone who doesn't read Radley Balko at all, since there is no mention of mass surveillance, militarization of police, evisceration of the bill of rights, and the corruption of criminal justice in the US.

Culturally the US is ripe for a police state. Authority figures such as TSA and the police treat common citizens like criminals, and the general population has grown to see it as normal. The general population is crippled with insane fear and paranoia over crime, despite record lows in violent and property crime. People on the right and left are screaming for increased safety and security.

02-22-2018 , 01:39 PM

#290

Jiggymike

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I think arming teachers/turning schools into prisons or whatever the RW wants to do right now would be the final straw for me. My kid doesn’t have to grow up in that environment, it’s bad enough now

02-23-2018 , 02:38 AM

#291

Zimmer4141

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggymike

Just had this exact conversation with my fiance tonight. I think Teachers being allowed to carry guns in public schools is the move to Canada/Australia/France moment for me.

02-23-2018 , 02:52 AM

#292

MicroPimpin

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I think teachers are already allowed to carry in a lot of the country aren't they?

02-23-2018 , 11:19 AM

#293

vaya

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Originally Posted by Nichlemn

And this is so vague and open to interpretation that you could have "predicted" the vast majority of American administrations should have become fascist dictatorships.

What I'd like to see is a formal predictive model of dictatorships. A model that has, in the past, been able to predict the rise of dictatorships at a rate significantly above chance. In particular, it should have been able to make accurate out-of-sample predictions (to show that it can actually predict the future and not just find a bunch of spurious relationships). I'd then like to see how that model rates Trump (and also other Presidents for comparison).

If it's really so easy to tell the signs, then the data should be damning. Maybe 20% of leaders who were like Trump became dictators, while only 1% who were like Obama. (Or if "dictatorships" have too small a sample size, a score on a political freedom index could be measured).

Hey Goebbels how about you take your slide rule and shove it up your ass sideways

02-23-2018 , 04:29 PM

#294

TiltedDonkey

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggymike

Yeah if any part of that "arm all the teachers" thing actually happens I might actually consider leaving. And I don't say that lightly. That is the most bat**** insane thing I've ever heard seriously suggested.

02-23-2018 , 04:36 PM

#295

Zimmer4141

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MicroPimpin

I think teachers are already allowed to carry in a lot of the country aren't they?

As far as I can tell, it only exists in about 17% of School Districts in Texas (which is why I don't live in Texas) and nowhere else as of right now.

02-23-2018 , 04:41 PM

#296

Yuv

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Not sure how many of you tried being an immigrant anywhere. Sure, it's easier when you're white, but it still sucks a whole lot.

02-24-2018 , 11:48 AM

#297

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuv

Not sure how many of you tried being an immigrant anywhere. Sure, it's easier when you're white, but it still sucks a whole lot.

What sucks about it?

Where did you move? Maybe it would have been easier in LA where there are like 300000 Israelis.

02-24-2018 , 12:13 PM

#298

estefaniocurry

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuv

Not sure how many of you tried being an immigrant anywhere. Sure, it's easier when you're white, but it still sucks a whole lot.

I've done it. Where I live it's harder to be privileged than in the US, but easier to be poor.

02-24-2018 , 12:42 PM

#299

SuperUberBob

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I'm doing it now. It definitely makes me empathize a lot with other immigrants.

Probably living in the UK for the long run.

02-24-2018 , 04:28 PM

#300

Yuv

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

What sucks about it?

Where did you move? Maybe it would have been easier in LA where there are like 300000 Israelis.

North Carolina.
I don't want to derail the thread. It's been a rough transition. Again, rough in 1st world problems context, but still you are constantly reminded that you're an outsider. And while I have a ****load to say about Americans from an armchair anthropologist viewpoint, I'll just state that living in a different country is difficult even if you're not poor.

That being said, perhaps the difference between Canada and the US is small enough that the change will be somewhat seamless.

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