BELIEVE in the lord!

I try to be respectful and polite to everyone, but sometimes I gotta be real and I just wish these people would just STFU. First Amendment and all that, but their timing and placement always seems to be piss poor and geared toward annoying people who are just...trying...to get by...

They creep up the list when they flip that obnoxious switch. Try running a business across the street from a church with access to monster JBL speakers. It can be maddening. Even worse, they decrease customer traffic. They're literally a drag on society on multiple levels.

A fear I do have is the line of thinking that manifests in their head. It is a microcosm of faulty logic and irrational nonsense that permeates in the brains of a scary amount of people in the world.

Wow. Thankfully I don't live in a place full of religious extremists like Oklahoma, Alabama, or Saudi Arabia.

Open-air preaching I've seen has been limited to a few entertaining weirdos in Berkeley.

I value freedom much more now than I did when I voted for Mr. Trump. In my opinion, only the Libertarian Party pays more than lip-service to liberty.

What do you mean by "the church?" My church doesn't baptize babies whether before or after birth.

I preach in free-speech zones. If boldly proclaiming what I believe to be true in a free-speech zone is "interfering in the lives of random strangers", then I plead "guilty."

Apparently you are unaware that libertarians are pro free-speech. (As opposed to the college campus snowflakes who are clearly anti-free-speech.)

The right to free speech is not a right to a platform, or to be free from hecklers or other disagreement. If you think people can be guaranteed platforms or freedom from dissent, you oppose free speech.

+10000000

I love hecklers. They tend to attract a crowd. I will publicly debate anybody who wants to debate me. I welcome dissent! I'll debate people in public, as opposed to those brave souls who only bloviate on internet message boards in the safety of their homes or work cubicles.

Then don't accuse campus liberals of opposing free speech by exercising their own.

free speech is stupid. There needs to be limits. Promoting hatred is a line

Good point. I think people who promote hatred against conservatives (for example) should be silenced immediately.

The hatred* is borne out of a reaction to malicious behavior by actors with no intent or interest for remedy, not anti 1A sentiments (for the intellectually honest).

*While some are actually engulfed in hatred, not everyone is correctly labeled in that manner. Hate is a strong word. But when you face malice, especially if it is a direct threat to your life or way of life, the question that becomes more and more pertinent is when is diplomacy dead and violence the appropriate response? The anger that grows within that manifestation is often misconstrued as hatred. The more correct word is passion imo

You are both wrong. Free speech is not stupid and college kids yelling at you is not an example of speech not being free.

I think college kids should yell at me as much as they want. I want them to yell at me; it attracts a crowd! What I object to is college kids (or anybody else) who forbid me (or anybody else) from speaking. The college kids have a right to yell and argue, and I have a right to yell and argue. What neither one of us has a right to do, is to forcibly silence the other. Anybody should be able to say whatever they want in a free-speech zone.

None of the high profile cases of campus protests have involved forcible silencing. You are arguing against your imagination.

Absolutely. Outside the usa this seems to be the norm. The only issue is the detail of implementation.

There is no place for a right to hate speech.

Absolute free speech is stupid and, thanks in part to social media, has eased the path of your country to the precipice it now stands on.

eg verbally racially abusing another person is wrong and should be illegal, as it is in many civilised societies.

Please define "hate speech." Depending on your definition, I might agree that there is no right to "hate speech."

Oh the good ol' elite liberal arts college students are destroying America trope.

Weren't the progressives (at least in the U.S.) at one time the biggest proponents of free speech? I need a history lesson.

Who in this thread is making that argument?

Is yelling "F*** Trump" hate speech?

Define is down to the impementation. Here's part of the Uk law that is clearly correct imo

It's been extended to religious and sexual orientation hatred as well (also clearly correct)

Then there's this:
The word insulting has been removed. which improves it greatly imo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_s...United_Kingdom

Free speech used to be progresive but that was when speech was expensive for individuals and easy to supress by governments. Things have changed, the new factor of the internet/social media changes so many thing.

They've been too indoctrinated from birth, are highly privileged (ie have benefited from a deeply flawed system) and have had too little exposure to alternatives to ever get this. Now that Trump has driven his truck through political convention with no regard for anything other than his family's wealth, without a rewrite of the constitution and a reshaping of government they're doomed, either at his hands or a future President/Fuhrer.