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12-02-2017 , 09:47 PM
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Lol. K. At least try to keep up. (I still don’t hate you)
Keep up with what? I'm ****ing telling you that it's not a surprise that a reactionary such as yourself is afraid of the time when people start breaking ****. You absolutely should be. You can see in this thread how effective your act is at fooling people.

You're profoundly ignorant, Madcap, which is why you wrote that **** about MLK without being aware of the contents of the letter from the Birmingham Jail. It's only the second most famous thing he ever wrote, but your Youtubes and subreddits didn't cover it.

You would've LOATHED King had you been a contemporary of his. He said LIES about racism existing and being bad! He was an agitator for civil unrest! Wherever he went, riots followed!

Also, he was an uppity black man with more education than any member of your family.

Last edited by Loki; 12-11-2017 at 12:27 PM. Reason: Removed personal attacks
12-02-2017 , 09:56 PM
I’m not going to try to defend myself against your version of reality that you have just willed into existence Fly.
12-02-2017 , 10:01 PM
US History, as taught basically everywhere:

Slavery (bad)
Civil War (good guys win)

85 year gap

Jim Crow (bad, covered in like two days)
MLK (good, kind of, did you know he cheated on his wife?)
South integrated (at barrel of gun, briefly if at all mentioned)

Racial problems mostly solved. Work in progress.
12-02-2017 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
These mother****ers aren't going to stop. They have the power to rig elections. They don't give a **** about the rule of law.

When?
i doubt hillary will run again so we dont really have to do anything
12-02-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
US History, as taught basically everywhere outside of the Confederacy:

Slavery (bad)
Civil War (good guys win)

85 year gap

Jim Crow (bad, covered in like two days)
MLK (good, kind of, did you know he cheated on his wife?)
South integrated (at barrel of gun, briefly if at all mentioned)

Racial problems mostly solved. Work in progress.
FYP.
12-02-2017 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMadcap
I’m not going to try to defend myself against your version of reality that you have just willed into existence Fly.
Wait do you think MLK DIDN'T write a letter from the Birmingham jail?
12-02-2017 , 10:27 PM
Huh?

Your version of reality AS IT RELATES TO ME. You make leaps and come to weird conclusions and so talking to you is just swimming upstream.

Maybe the issue is that I’m just now clear enough. I’ll try to be better. (Still no hate)

There has been no historical claim/fact made in this thread that I disagree with.
12-02-2017 , 11:20 PM

12-02-2017 , 11:25 PM
Not relevant to MLK per se, but damn these cowardly racist dip****s never change:

12-02-2017 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMadcap
Huh?

Your version of reality AS IT RELATES TO ME. You make leaps and come to weird conclusions and so talking to you is just swimming upstream.
What are you even talking about?

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Maybe the issue is that I’m just now clear enough. I’ll try to be better. (Still no hate)
You literally never address actual points other people make, you just derp out the same watered down chezzing as always.

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There has been no historical claim/fact made in this thread that I disagree with.
So you agree with the several people who called you out for your dishonest attempt to invoke the name of MLK in defense of your reactionary bull****? That's refreshing, I guess. Just a "you got me fellas, I was full of ****, I forgot that some people aren't dumb as hell" is a real step forward in honesty from you.
12-03-2017 , 12:44 AM
Really surprised there is no protest day planned to fight the tax bull****.
12-03-2017 , 01:02 AM
Maybe there'd be more protests if you weren't sitting on your ass waiting for somebody else to curate one for you.
12-03-2017 , 10:43 AM
LOL the first group of people who try something like this will be gunned down on live TV by hyper-aggressive, militarized police.
12-03-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by batair


Can we at least try some million man/women peaceful marches first. One or two ten million marches might get him impeached...
big article on yahoo now says odds on prez trump getting impeached in 2018 not at 11/10. anyone on this site want some coin on this?
12-03-2017 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
MLK also lets them peddle this total BS alternative history where the blacks just finally asked nicely and southern whites had an epiphany and integrated peacefully.
Not to anyone who knows the least bit about what the civil rights movement really entailed. The idea that MLK (or any of the many around him or allied with him or working in parallel to him) has any responsibility for how racist revisionists use the history in which he participated is laughable.

MLK got murdered for his efforts, after all. So did a lot of other people. The idea that he was some uncle Tom clowning the powers is just ignorant and oblivious and very, very far from the truth. The powers went to some effort to portray him as a philandering miscreant and a communist.

Like a lot of his contemporaries, King was fighting a war, and knew it. He had to pick his strategies, and he made his choices. Others (like Malcolm X) made different choices. None of them always got everything just right. But at least they were doing something, moving the issue forward, and anyone who knows how their opponents were, their vicious violent approach to the issue, understands that the decision to use nonviolent methods was a strategic question of guerrilla warfare, very remote from the toadying to power that some here seem to think it was. Other ways were possible, but it's not at all clear that they would have been more effective. King and Malcolm were converging, not diverging, when both got killed.
12-03-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by becky88
big article on yahoo now says odds on prez trump getting impeached in 2018 not at 11/10. anyone on this site want some coin on this?
Not me. The republican swamp is ok with our treasonous ignorant bumbling leader and in America it seems harder now then ever to break the apathy. Ill believe he is out the door when he is out the door.
12-03-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
US History, as taught basically everywhere:

Slavery (bad)
Civil War (good guys win)

85 year gap

Jim Crow (bad, covered in like two days)
MLK (good, kind of, did you know he cheated on his wife?)
South integrated (at barrel of gun, briefly if at all mentioned)

Racial problems mostly solved. Work in progress.
The part I bolded is what gets me. We're basically taught that after this fantastic Civil Rights movement it all just kind of worked out for the most part. It's completely LOL. If I remember my middle school US history correctly some sort of amalgam of JFK, MLK, Malcolm X (he was kinda scary!), and the hippies at Woodstock magic wanded away pretty much all racism. Then Nixon came along but sorry I didn't figure the Gulf War propaganda coloring contest into our lesson plan so we're out of time and have a great summer.
12-03-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
What are you even talking about?



You literally never address actual points other people make, you just derp out the same watered down chezzing as always.



So you agree with the several people who called you out for your dishonest attempt to invoke the name of MLK in defense of your reactionary bull****? That's refreshing, I guess. Just a "you got me fellas, I was full of ****, I forgot that some people aren't dumb as hell" is a real step forward in honesty from you.
You are not following the plot. I know that you aren’t dumb and so I’m not sure if it’s just me being unclear, you being blinded by rage or if you are willfully misunderstanding me. But, whatever the reason, every single time you “sum up” what it is that I am trying to say, I don’t agree with your characterization. (Wrt to your last two posts, it’s almost like we aren’t even a part of the same conversation)

The fact that we have gotten to a point where it’s a controversial position to suggest that we shouldn’t start riots, seems to have less to do with me and more to do with this:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/...92512117692136
12-03-2017 , 09:23 PM
Is that Thom Dorke in your avatard?
12-03-2017 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMadcap
You are not following the plot.
How so?

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I know that you aren’t dumb and so I’m not sure if it’s just me being unclear, you being blinded by rage or if you are willfully misunderstanding me. But, whatever the reason, every single time you “sum up” what it is that I am trying to say, I don’t agree with your characterization. (Wrt to your last two posts, it’s almost like we aren’t even a part of the same conversation)
You are a remarkably incoherent and nonresponsive writer, but no, I have a pretty good handle on where you're coming from and what you're trying to say.

And I'm not alone. You getting good feedback elsewhere in this thread as the Logical and Reasonable Boy who totally isn't a vicious reactionary terrified of social progress? No?

Just like your forays into chezfront everyone remotely left of center is laughing at you. The only difference is we have fewer Nazis to give you those attaboys you clearly crave.

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The fact that we have gotten to a point where it’s a controversial position to suggest that we shouldn’t start riots, seems to have less to do with me and more to do with this:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/...92512117692136
Have you read The Letter from a Birmingham Jail? We all know the answer when you spazzed your way into this thread was "no", but it's only a few paragraphs long. You could've read it by now. But you didn't. Ask yourself why.
12-03-2017 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Schlitz mmmm
lol


It's well overdue, OP. We need a hero (Ice T, in an interview, described the 'Cop Killer' portrayed in one of his songs as sort of a hero.

We need a corrupt CEO, politician, Koch Brother, Rush Limbaugh silencer iykwim

in all honesty.. we need a return to Union muscle.. get shiit done.. period end of sentence. No diplomatic bull****.
Union muscle might not break what you want them to break.

12-03-2017 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
How so?
i will repeat that I don’t entirely blame you for these misunderstandings. But this thread, like basically every time I talk to you, has been full of them.

1)“He’s [talking] about you...”
(Obviously. I was pointing out he created a straw man)

2) [angry rant making a bunch of weird assertions]
I make a post saying that I’m not going to engage.
“Wait so are you saying Mlk didn’t write a letter from a Birmingham jail”
(Uh... what?)

3) I try to clear up the misunderstanding of #2 by saying that I don’t doubt any of the history that has been presented in this thread. You say this is me conceding that I have been lying the entire time.

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Blah blah blah
K. See above.

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Have you read The Letter from a Birmingham Jail? We all know the answer when you spazzed your way into this thread was "no", but it's only a few paragraphs long. You could've read it by now. But you didn't. Ask yourself why.
I’m afraid it was much too long to take my precious time.
12-03-2017 , 11:58 PM
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(Obviously. I was pointing out he created a straw man)
It's not a ****ing strawman if you personally are an example! For Christ's sake.

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I try to clear up the misunderstanding of #2 by saying that I don’t doubt any of the history that has been presented in this thread. You say this is me conceding that I have been lying the entire time.
If you don't doubt any of the history, how could he have been creating a straw man? He was asserting history!

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I’m afraid it was much too long to take my precious time.
OK and I think you believe that **** like this comes off as glib imperious banter, but uh, you should read it. Reading it might take off you off a very dark path you've set yourself on. At the very least, it'd stop you from embarrassing yourself as badly as you've done in this thread.

P.S. How ****ing perfect is it that this dip**** invokes MLK(page 2 in the Dull Reactionary Defends the Status Quo internet argument script), gets yelled at for being a reactionary dip**** coopting the legacy of King to advance a myth that is favorable to the very structures that King abhorred, and as he smugly tried to argue that was a lie or a misinterpretation...

he ends up admitting he wasn't aware the second most famous thing King ever wrote? You alt-lite spastics need to up your ****ing game.
12-04-2017 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
It's not a ****ing strawman if you personally are an example! For Christ's sake.
If you say so.

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If you don't doubt any of the history, how could he have been creating a straw man? He was asserting history!
See above.

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OK and I think you believe that **** like this comes off as glib imperious banter, but uh, you should read it. Reading it might take off you off a very dark path you've set yourself on. At the very least, it'd stop you from embarrassing yourself as badly as you've done in this thread.

P.S. How ****ing perfect is it that this dip**** invokes MLK(page 2 in the Dull Reactionary Defends the Status Quo internet argument script), gets yelled at for being a reactionary dip**** coopting the legacy of King to advance a myth that is favorable to the very structures that King abhorred, and as he smugly tried to argue that was a lie or a misinterpretation...

he ends up admitting he wasn't aware the second most famous thing King ever wrote? You alt-lite spastics need to up your ****ing game.
I was going to let you in on the secret that the line I used comes directly from the letter. Do I get credit for having read it before? Or for having read it again just for good measure?

Probably not.
12-04-2017 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
The part I bolded is what gets me. We're basically taught that after this fantastic Civil Rights movement it all just kind of worked out for the most part. It's completely LOL. If I remember my middle school US history correctly some sort of amalgam of JFK, MLK, Malcolm X (he was kinda scary!), and the hippies at Woodstock magic wanded away pretty much all racism. Then Nixon came along but sorry I didn't figure the Gulf War propaganda coloring contest into our lesson plan so we're out of time and have a great summer.

The situation is radically different than it was when I was a kid. A lot has changed. What hasn't changed nearly as much as it should have, because it was never explicitly addressed, is the 40 acres and a mule part. A subpopulation that was less wealthy stays less wealthy and the current regression to an unequal top down social structure makes that even more the case. Reparations were due. Now it's not possible politically, but affirmative action was a kind of reparations lite and it turned into a rallying cry for the right. Still, it was crucial for genuine progress on the racial front, even though no one likes to admit it.

      
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