Yea he's only a neurosurgeon, those guys have no intelligence. Anyone who doesn't see the world the same as you is stupid.

If you are assuming he will run as a Republican, then your question is moot. He will not get the nomination. If you assume he runs as a Independent, then I think the accurate number will be around 12%.

Also, in before Fly calls Sklansky a racist.

GG, reading comprehension.

If anything, I'm saying that it's perfectly OK to acknowledge stereotypical truisms even if they aren't universal. There's also that whole industry of delusion where things that are objectively true are shouted down as being 'racist' in spite of being factual.

Another problem with this statement is that it doesn't even apply in this case. Because at most I am talking about 20% of black people. Actually much less because most of the black people who would switch to Carson would do it for well thought out reasons that may or may not have something to do with his skin color. So lets say that I guessed that 10% would switch based on color alone. I would also guess that 10% of white Republicans would vote Democratic so that a white person would be president. So I am now an anti- white racist?

True statements can be racist. If they are part of a narrative that is cherry picking statistics to make a racist point.

Thinking a large percent of black voters are zero issues voters who just show up because, like, I dunno it's fun to vote, is racist.

Blacks vote dem for lots and lots of reasons, many of which are policy based. Carson going out there spewing the same talking points as ever other tea party loon won't win them over because he is black, they are smarter than you give them credit for. We know this because of polling on the last black tea party candidate who ran for president - the black community completely rejected him for reasons completely unrelated to Obama running too.

"Black people are idiots so will just vote for whoever looks like them" is very very racist.

Also regarding your last line I think that just makes you a realist valuable of recognising lots of racists are in the rank and file of the Republican Party (hence they struggle to get black votes)

Being the first surgeon to successfully separate conjoined twins joined at the head is a clear sign of intelligence. Does that mean his intelligence is well used in politics? No, and bashing someone's intelligence simply because you disagree with their political views is pretty sad. Including such hate in your message really weakens your message.

Using hate as a weapon to fight hate is self-defeating. Calling your opponent an idiot reflects more on you than him, regardless of the truth of your claim. Respond to your enemies with love and arguments based on reason and you will win every time.

Around 11 %.

The key is always if your able to define yourself or your opponent is able to define you. So will Hillary (assuming though odds seem to drop each time she opens her mouth) able to get the black surrogates motivated to attack Carson and try to define Carson as an uncle Tom within the black communities. Will the black religious leaders be motivated to help in portraying Carson as an uncle tom or will they just sort of sit this one out. Will the Reps run a it is going to be like another 4 more years of Obama campaign (which might not play in the black community)

If the black leaders go after Carson hard the turn out is going to be high.

General Colin Powell is the only black Republican with any chance of winning 50% of the black vote.

If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve.

Distortionary statistical bull****ting isn't part of a true statement. Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics, as they say...

A lot of prima-facie factual things about race are written off as being 'racist' in spite of being true. Either that or it becomes a pathetic rationalization contest of 'root causes' as if that negates or otherwise assuages the negative truism.

YEAH WELL YOU"RE JUST A RACIST!
PLUS, GUNS, GERMS AND STEEL!

ben carson is repub / tea? gosh what is wrong with some of my people? as a black person from the urban community i'd say ben carson would get a single digit % of the black vote as we are voting democrat NOT black per se. Uncle toms rub us very wrong.

and let me just add this about myself. most of my values are conservative but i will ALWAYS vote democrat for the greater good of the lower / lower middle class

I'm disappointed now that Dr. Carson is unlikely to win the Republican nomination because this would have been a good spot to get to bet against David Sklansky

I think about 40% of the black people would vote for Carson, but that would still leave app. 760% available to vote for the democratic candidate.

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Thinking that some black people take race into account when voting: "very very racist"

Thinking that some white people take race into account when voting: "realist"

Evidence of one - none

Evidence of the other - lots

Man, never would have guessed that the most vocal arguer that black people will vote based on race claims to be a staunchly independent thinker who votes only based on the ideas of the candidates.

Michael Steele managed 25% of the African-American vote in Maryland's 2006 senate race. That was a midterm race and Steele deliberately left his party affiliation off of his signage, so it seems like a high water mark.

In a national election where the extreme right wing views of Carson are going to be magnified, I'd guess around 10% against Clinton.

There are numerous elections (like those cited in the previous thread) where a black Republican got a considerably higher percentage of the black vote than a white Republican with similar views on the same statewide ticket despite similar or worse performances overall. Albeit without as much of a control, you also have black candidates generally doing better in heavily black areas in Democratic primaries.

Sure, it's possible that all of this is entirely for non-racial reasons, but likewise, the same is true for the evidence of whites not voting for black candidates for racial reasons. Appalachia could have swung against Obama relative to Kerry entirely because of non-racial differences between the candidates. It's a huge stretch either way, but believing one and not the other is just hypocritical idiocy.

And, to repeat what I said in the previous thread, some blacks having race as a factor doesn't make them mindless:

Me too. I am just astounded that people don't give any credence to the idea that some black people will give over arching significance to the idea that the president is black where they wouldn't if it was any other office. And I am talking about black people who fully get Dr. Carson's views and would tend to disagree with him on many of them. Admittedly the people I have in mind who would be swayed would tend to be older.

Some of them, sure, but not in the number many are suggesting. Like, the idea that Republicans could jump from 10% to 27-33% or more of the AA just by tokenism is ludicrous.

27% contains the idea (a racist assumption which has been discredited) that black people are easily duped into voting against their own policy interests by cheap tricks that play on black's strong sense of tribalism overriding what critical judgement they have (tribalism in the sociological not pejorative sense but it's not like those lines don't get blurred given the topic). Of course these perceptions about blacks are completely out of whack.

Ironically, if you were to run a black candidate who was everything conservatives wanted in character and intellect, he would probably stand no chance because of white tribalism. "If we could just transplant Allen Keye's mind and soul into Mitt Romney".

What's the next question? "Would black people cooperate with police investigations better if they were offered a bucket of fried chicken in exchange for information?" This is analogous to the question in the OP except that the racist stereotypes are more recognizable.

And what basis are you judging Herman Cain's IQ?


lol I would love it if I could get Clinton as a dog in an IQ test against any random surgeon, even a professor. What is your thought process here?

Herman Cain has a Masters in Computer Science from Perdue and Obama is from your favorite sea of mediocrity, Harvard Law School.