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What are the chances of the USA not being democractically ruled in the next 20 years? What are the chances of the USA not being democractically ruled in the next 20 years?
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08-20-2017 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Long term erosion sounds on point. It would be stable, but would take a lot longer with someone more skilled at government. Without all the chaos going on, the changes they are making will be under constant scrutiny. The Russian playbook Trump and his inner circle are following is much more aggressive.

Also, Trump clearly doesn't have 100% control of his powers. Being an idiot is one thing, being a USEFUL idiot is something totally different. But he's used to serving as the "front man" for crime his whole life, just now the stakes are higher than ever and the pressure is choking him.
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Uh, the division of the DOJ which monitored white supremacist groups was re-purposed and now only focuses on Islamic extremists. This was one of Trump's first acts in office.
And he made the right decision
08-20-2017 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Sorry for the relatively serious answer, but I think we are going to be fine. "Fine" as in "will survive some very serious ****," of course. Eventually there will be an economic crisis that Trump will be totally hopeless in responding to; there will be a foreign policy crisis that Trump will e totally hopeless in responding to; on and on. The GOP will amp up their war on voting. They will have the courts mostly stacked. But **** if this country didn't endure George W. Bush and somehow make it through. If you think about it, W. was WAY worse than Trump - he actually got all those horrific GOP policies enacted into law, while starting a war for no reason. I'm with Warren Buffet: we've got this.
Gotta fade the next 15-20 years imo, should be better after that



Boomers and older getting more unhinged and conservative, everyone born after 1965 not falling into right wing pit of despair.

Can be a lot of damage in the next 20 years tho. Also it's quite easy to see how some downside scenarios are true crises and really bad calamities.

As I've said before ITT/recently, think the next 15-20 years will be worse in a lot of ways -- specifically how the law gets applied, authority gets used, laws get executed -- moreso than like outright civil war or total Republican seizure of government.

I think this image shows the discord. There's going to be a bunch of olds, mostly white, with tons of accumulated wealth and an army of sympathetic boomer-aged politicians like Trump with the police by their side. Some may be quite reactionary. Look at how the GOP caucus is increasingly unhinged. They will have allies from outside of cities and others who are losing in the new global economy.

On the other side are increasingly restive youth that looks and thinks far differently than the olds. They're largely in cities. They'll have a set of petite bourgeois college educated liberal allies in the management and white collar professions.

That process has been in motion for some time now anyway. It's likely were in the middle of it rather than at the dawn of a new era. It's the backend of the Reagan Revolution -- the grasping and clutching at white identity, revulsion at basically any elements of the welfare state and government action that aren't singularly beneficial to old whites and a highly aggressive foreign policy.

I think some people see this as hopeful, like oh well just gotta survive until the olds die off. But as I said, you have to respect the notion that on the downside are genuine calamitous environment with a lot of violence and destruction.

I think as someone who is in their mid 30s with kids and stuff, I don't know that I would choose to live in an Unraveling --> Crisis era on the Strauss Howe generational timeline and hope you sort of head in your golden years on some sort of rebuild. But that has to be a likely outcome for people around our age.
08-21-2017 , 08:31 AM
USA is not a democracy now. It's a farce hiding an oligarchy.
08-21-2017 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by xnbomb
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Trump’s Russian Laundromat

It's not 100% perfect because some of the rhetoric is biased, but it's factual from what I can tell and should paint a good picture of his dealings over the decades.
08-24-2017 , 01:03 PM
At least china won't be taking over...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-a3617881.html
08-24-2017 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Gotta fade the next 15-20 years imo, should be better after that



Boomers and older getting more unhinged and conservative, everyone born after 1965 not falling into right wing pit of despair.

Can be a lot of damage in the next 20 years tho. Also it's quite easy to see how some downside scenarios are true crises and really bad calamities.

As I've said before ITT/recently, think the next 15-20 years will be worse in a lot of ways -- specifically how the law gets applied, authority gets used, laws get executed -- moreso than like outright civil war or total Republican seizure of government.

I think this image shows the discord. There's going to be a bunch of olds, mostly white, with tons of accumulated wealth and an army of sympathetic boomer-aged politicians like Trump with the police by their side. Some may be quite reactionary. Look at how the GOP caucus is increasingly unhinged. They will have allies from outside of cities and others who are losing in the new global economy.

On the other side are increasingly restive youth that looks and thinks far differently than the olds. They're largely in cities. They'll have a set of petite bourgeois college educated liberal allies in the management and white collar professions.

That process has been in motion for some time now anyway. It's likely were in the middle of it rather than at the dawn of a new era. It's the backend of the Reagan Revolution -- the grasping and clutching at white identity, revulsion at basically any elements of the welfare state and government action that aren't singularly beneficial to old whites and a highly aggressive foreign policy.

I think some people see this as hopeful, like oh well just gotta survive until the olds die off. But as I said, you have to respect the notion that on the downside are genuine calamitous environment with a lot of violence and destruction.

I think as someone who is in their mid 30s with kids and stuff, I don't know that I would choose to live in an Unraveling --> Crisis era on the Strauss Howe generational timeline and hope you sort of head in your golden years on some sort of rebuild. But that has to be a likely outcome for people around our age.
"If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain." Churchill
08-24-2017 , 04:03 PM
If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain but if you're both you're an unprincipled power-hungry politician.
08-24-2017 , 04:06 PM
Anyway, Churchill was wrong.

People who vote left at 20 and right at 40 generally do so for one and the same reason: selfishness.
08-24-2017 , 10:13 PM
damn straight.

gimme weed and let the gay people get married and I'll be a republican the next day...
08-24-2017 , 10:45 PM
We seem to be very ****ing far off from the point where I want to be a republican.
08-25-2017 , 09:58 AM
Churchill and The British Empire, lol.
08-30-2017 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
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What are you laying? And who's the 3rd party arbitrator?
08-30-2017 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by wopbabalubop
"If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain." Churchill
Right, that's the old quote. But the data contradicts that. People born in 1965 and after are identifying more liberal.

So Churchill's quote isn't standing up to the data in America. It's more like: if you're 50 and younger you're getting more liberal, if you're 50 and older you're getting more conservative. Hence the current increasing partisan divide.
08-30-2017 , 06:08 AM
I cannot believe that anyone believes that America is still a republic; America is an oligarchy, i.e. Citizens United ruling was the final knot for the elite. They've got you by the ballz.

Since we're quoting Churchill: "The best argument against a democracy is a 5 minute conversation with your average voter."
08-30-2017 , 06:59 AM
this churchill guy sounds like the worst
08-30-2017 , 07:12 AM
Duh, he's a white man
08-30-2017 , 07:14 AM
He was an appalling person

Some good quotes though:

An aide brought Churchill the morning paper with the news that one of his Cabinet Ministers would have to resign because he had been caught having gay sex with a Grenadier Guardsman in Green Park the night before.

Churchill said: “It was cold last night was it not?”
the aide replied: “Yes Sir, only 23 degrees”
Churchill replied: “Makes you proud to be British”
08-30-2017 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
I cannot believe that anyone believes that America is still a republic; America is an oligarchy, i.e. Citizens United ruling was the final knot for the elite. They've got you by the ballz.

Since we're quoting Churchill: "The best argument against a democracy is a 5 minute conversation with your average voter."
This is why there's no way to bet on this. Everyone has a different take on what the system of government is.
08-30-2017 , 07:42 AM
Trump won the less educated vote no matter what age they were. No wonder the Republicans are always trying to get rid of the Department of Education.
08-30-2017 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Right, that's the old quote. But the data contradicts that. People born in 1965 and after are identifying more liberal.

So Churchill's quote isn't standing up to the data in America. It's more like: if you're 50 and younger you're getting more liberal, if you're 50 and older you're getting more conservative. Hence the current increasing partisan divide.
30 is the new 20, 40 is the new 30, etc ...) Besides, thanks to technology we have many 50 year old teenagers nowadays.
08-30-2017 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Right, that's the old quote. But the data contradicts that. People born in 1965 and after are identifying more liberal.

So Churchill's quote isn't standing up to the data in America. It's more like: if you're 50 and younger you're getting more liberal, if you're 50 and older you're getting more conservative. Hence the current increasing partisan divide.
If you're not a socialist at 20 you have no heart; if you're not an anarcho-socialist at 40 you have no brain.
08-30-2017 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
If you're not a socialist at 20 you have no heart; if you're not an anarcho-socialist at 40 you have no brain.
If Bernie Sanders were to run against Trump, the outcome would likely substantiate your quote.
08-30-2017 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
If you're not a socialist at 20 you have no heart; if you're not an anarcho-socialist at 40 you have no brain.
If you're anything other than a bitter cynic at 40 you're doing it wrong.
08-30-2017 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
If you're anything other than a bitter cynic at 40 you're doing it wrong.
I was more of a bitter cynic at 40. Second childhood now I guess.
08-30-2017 , 11:37 PM
How much longer do I have to go? I've been a bitter cynic for like 25+ years now.

      
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