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A Vigorous Political Debate with user NewOldGuy A Vigorous Political Debate with user NewOldGuy

01-28-2019 , 04:54 PM
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You infer and assume a great deal that wasn't stated or implied in my post at all.
Like what?

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You may be confusing me with someone who gives a **** about how the regs want to run their Politics club.
Fair enough. Seems weird that you would write up such a long, thought-provoking post about something you have no interest in so understand my mistake. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but next time maybe add a disclaimer.


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I merely noticed that Mason had gotten involved which caught my interest, so then after reading I wanted to add my own opinion and observations.
Wait a second, first you want a debate, then you didn't give a ****, now you are interested. I'm so confused

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Piss on them all you want.
Sorry, but that is not allowed in the politics forum anymore.

Thank you for this respectful and engaging interchange. I have learned so much!
01-28-2019 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Which was?
banned
01-28-2019 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Sounds like a microcosm of real world politics at times, where liberals fight to the death and the end absolutely justifies the means, and conservatives are too wussy to fight back.

Thanks for the invite, and I'll stick around and engage sometimes, but I'll wait until I have something to say on a thread rather than bringing up old examples that formed my opinions about the way the forum has been in the past.
Crazily you'll find most on this forum have the exact opposite view about paragraph 1 - see McConnell's scorched earth congress from 2010-2016.

This for me is one of the toughest parts about engaging across the great divide, but also maybe the most vital if we're ever going to pull out of his morass - when you find out just how far apart the two sides are on perceptions. I hear chiefsplanet whining about how Dems refuse to compromise and my head starts to swim.
01-28-2019 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Yeah, clearest example is that conservatives have stacked the Supreme Court for our lifetimes despite winning the popular vote in a Presidential Election only ONCE in the last THIRTY YEARS. Pretty unreal the amount of power conservatives have given the strength of their hand.
And now you could argue the Ann Coulter fringe of the Republican Party is actually ruling the country because the moderates can be safely counted on not to bolt en masse. The tip of the tail wagging the tail that wags the dog.
01-28-2019 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
It takes a pretty special kind of narcissism to lecture others on the problems with the politics forum, and openly admit you are contributing to those problems, while also admitting no responsibility ("it's your fault I engage with you like this", lmao) and insisting there's no hypocrisy or contradiction there.
I'm not a politics poster nor will I ever be, unless something dramatic happens in terms of changes to moderation. I'm contributing my opinion on the status of the forum in a thread entitled, "Status of this Forum". Until the overriding tone of snark and disrespect towards criticism changes, why would I play by different rules than you? You're as snarky as they come. Yet you would have me play by different rules than you and still absorb your snark all the way through--that's the height of hypocrisy.
01-28-2019 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 6ix
I'm working from memory here, but, the part I found to be "trolling" (scare quotes there for a reason) was the argument going sideways over the concept of a "literal agent". As far as I can tell there's no way to even define "literal agent" which is why nobody did (did Putin say Lolz Pee Tapez or did he actually brainwash him to be a manchuriain candidate style sleeper agent) but you still insisted on proof of being a literal agent when the point was that trump is clearly compromised, not what level of agent he was, literal or figurative or otherwise.
Right, which is why at the time I put it in specific terms of "Trump being actively blackmailed by Putin". Which, there were plenty of folks coming forward arguing exactly that. And I'm sure I made the distinction at the time. It's not an unsupported conspiracy theory to say that the Russians, or the Saudis, or the Israelis have some influence due to monetary and business connections. That's all true and there's evidence for that. But then saying that's on the spectrum of being actively blackmailed/controlled by Putin is ludicrous. Hillary would have been comprised in the same way by any number of shady foreign powers.
01-28-2019 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
And now you could argue the Ann Coulter fringe of the Republican Party is actually ruling the country because the moderates can be safely counted on not to bolt en masse. The tip of the tail wagging the tail that wags the dog.
And to bring it full circle, liberals watch doofus liberal Bill Maher as he playfully debates Ann Coulter about how much she hates Mexicans and Muslims.
01-28-2019 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
banned
And what if I weren't banned? Would you pay me an apology? Or are you just speaking out of turn as usual?
01-28-2019 , 05:10 PM
I'm not sure who watches Bill Maher - but it must be someone because he still has a show.
01-28-2019 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by commas,are,funny
I'm not a politics poster nor will I ever be, unless something dramatic happens in terms of changes to moderation. I'm contributing my opinion on the status of the forum in a thread entitled, "Status of the forum"
In a forum you specificslly said youll never be a poster in. Why should we care about your opinion on the matter in that situation?
01-28-2019 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by commas,are,funny
And what if I weren't banned? Would you pay me an apology? Or are you just speaking out of turn as usual?
There is an easy way to find out
01-28-2019 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
In a forum you specificslly said youll never be a poster in. Why should we care about your opinion on the matter in that situation?
Yeah they're kinda giving away the game there.
01-28-2019 , 05:16 PM
Lol you banned commas? I was actually going through his posting history to figure out how much was either bitching about politics forum or no content internet snark. Not surprisingly bitching about politics is over 10% of his posts. It looks like general snark is the majority of his history.
01-28-2019 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
Like what?



Fair enough. Seems weird that you would write up such a long, thought-provoking post about something you have no interest in so understand my mistake. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but next time maybe add a disclaimer.




Wait a second, first you want a debate, then you didn't give a ****, now you are interested. I'm so confused



Sorry, but that is not allowed in the politics forum anymore.

Thank you for this respectful and engaging interchange. I have learned so much!
Seriously though, this exchange

NewOldGuy: Politics forum is awful, can't have a fair exchange, nobody wants to hear what you say,
Me: I want to hear what you say, could you clarify what you want?
NewOldGuy: Don't give a ****, you're an *******, please continue pissing on me

Is this the debate you're looking for? Because it looks like passive-aggressive trolling to me. Let me know if I'm wrong, seriously. Mason, is this what you want?
01-28-2019 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
Seriously though, this exchange

NewOldGuy: Politics forum is awful, can't have a fair exchange, nobody wants to hear what you say,
Me: I want to hear what you say, could you clarify what you want?
NewOldGuy: Don't give a ****, you're an *******, please continue pissing on me

Is this the debate you're looking for? Because it looks like passive-aggressive trolling to me. Let me know if I'm wrong, seriously. Mason, is this what you want?
Your misrepresentations, made up pseudo-quotes, and attitude are a good example of what is wrong. It makes me want to unsub this thread now. That what you want?
01-28-2019 , 05:22 PM
Absolutely 100% sincere here (and I am sure I am not alone on this). But I would LOVE a legitimate explanation of what goes on in the Conservative mind and what you guys actually think. For reals. It's true that I don't think conservatives are trolls or at least lack the self-awareness or honesty to relay that stuff even if they wanted too. And I have plenty of reason for that belief (see NewOldGuy, Commas etc above). But if there are any exceptions to that, it would be amazing to hear it. Lay that **** on me.
01-28-2019 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Your misrepresentations and attitude are a good example of what is wrong.
Hey look - more great debate! Thanks for schooling me once again.
01-28-2019 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Right, which is why at the time I put it in specific terms of "Trump being actively blackmailed by Putin". Which, there were plenty of folks coming forward arguing exactly that. And I'm sure I made the distinction at the time. It's not an unsupported conspiracy theory to say that the Russians, or the Saudis, or the Israelis have some influence due to monetary and business connections. That's all true and there's evidence for that. But then saying that's on the spectrum of being actively blackmailed/controlled by Putin is ludicrous. Hillary would have been comprised in the same way by any number of shady foreign powers.
Yes, Hillary did things that put her in extremely compromising positions like secretly seeking approval for a massive real estate deal in the capital of a foreign adversary while repeatedly lying about it and vigorously denying it until after the election and doing her best to cover it up after winning the election w/ a massive assist from such adversary until her attorney was thrown in jail two years later.... partly for lying about her Moscow real estate deal to Congress.. Oh wait, we actually knew about her ties because the Clinton Foundation appropriately disclosed its donations before the election, which allowed voters to appropriately scrutinize Hillary’s activities and judge her accordingly.

You are right, these ARE similar, not sure how people ever get confused as to whether you are trolling.
01-28-2019 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Your misrepresentations, made up pseudo-quotes, and attitude are a good example of what is wrong. It makes me want to unsub this thread now. That what you want?
Yes - look at me misrepresent your words. I'm such a trickster. Too bad that you can't explain how I misrepresented them when they are quoted right there on the same page! I am really enjoying this "conversation" stuff I have heard so much about.
01-28-2019 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
That what you want?
No. What I want is for you to stop whining.

Start participating in a substantive discussion.
01-28-2019 , 05:29 PM
Can we move the keed derail elsewhere? This is the thread where we try to keep the forum from getting nuked, it would be helpful to not have it turn into a ****show.
01-28-2019 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Your misrepresentations, made up pseudo-quotes, and attitude are a good example of what is wrong.
This message is hidden because TrollyWantACracker is on your ignore list
01-28-2019 , 05:34 PM
Is NewOldGuy one of Trolly McTrollson's gimmick accounts? NH you had me going there for a minute but took it a bit too far at the end.
01-28-2019 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
Is NewOldGuy one of Trolly McTrollson's gimmick accounts? NH you had me going there for a minute but took it a bit too far at the end.
I’d like to think my gimmicks are at least a little bit more amusing than this.
01-28-2019 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
This message is hidden because TrollyWantACracker is on your ignore list
I like how he went back and edited his last post with bold and red to make it look like he actually blocked me. But forgot the "r" Trollys an artist imo.

      
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