Pointing it out to who?

So If Dom comes back after more investigation and it turns out the teen vandals didn't even know his neighbor was a vet, where does that leave us? So what?

Nobody who is reasonable is holding modern liberals responsible for spitting on vets, even if they believe it, and nobody who does is going to stop doing that.

You say there is value in not allowing it to float by without challenge yet the results of this thread are not looking all that swell. I got called an apologist. Paul d got to play his game. Fly got to act like an ******* to the delight of the "conservatives" and the irritation of people not extreme enough for him. The toxin spreads.

It's not that complex. There are a ton of people who are not going to think deeply or introspectively about anything. They reach conclusions based on what makes them feel icky, angry or whatever. When they are thrown a piece of bull**** propaganda they feed on it. When you go to lengths to prove they are wrong about something that should not be part of the conversation anyway, you are observably increasing the damage, and I'm looking for where or how it's decreased. This is my point. This is what I want you to address and/or refute.

The people running the propaganda machine know what they are doing. You are falling into the trap. They don't even need to hide it. They say it out loud because their victims on the right are too stupid to change their behavior...they love getting fed the lies. The victims on the left are too stupid to change their behavior also, they love being right too much to adjust their reaction. Trump is an idiot but he gets this part. He is feeding both sides their preferred meal with every piece of **** he serves every day.

they are conservative because rambo is a salt of the earth white guy. conservatives get all up in arms about oppression and police brutality when they identify with the oppressed. look at the typical white conservative response to black kids gunned down in the streets vs a white nurse handcuffed for 20 minutes. make rambo an inner city black kid trying to visit a friend and suddenly he is a thug who shouldnt have resisted.

Nice post

Who's making this ideological? You're constantly responding with idiotic/Dvaut1 level strawmen. Just concede that there probably was some contemporaneous low level anti soldier behavior in the Vietnam era.....then type paragraph after paragraph of your standard nonsense that I admittedly won't bother to read or respond to. Everybody wins!

First Blood starts with the cops as villains and Stallone as an anti-hero and ends with the military as awesome and hippies as the villain. He was either reacting to more critical movies or copied them, but decided he had to be an action hero.

I loved the movie though.

i mean damn

but ya

how the eff is dude gonna be able find a citable and verifiable example of something not happening?

this is a good thread. I too have heard the stories about spitting and baby killer and all that and took them to be true. I mean, they are main stream.

initially I thought fly and dvaut were like woah, way out of line. but the arguments from eric and paul and rara (well, I guess maybe not rara bc like wtf does some sign in the 80s have to do with it I dunno) were so unreal bad that I have completely changed my view and perception of things.

it was never something I cared much about anyway. just that, proly bc of rambo and other media consumption, it was always presented as certain truth. now, when ppl are forced to prove it, it gets totally exposed as myth. still, pretty disturbing how ppl like paul and eric still totally believe it to the point that they actually present evidence that doesnt even support they are trying to make.

why is that? do you guys support right wing fantasy bs? maybe they are the smart ones who actually show up here and provide proper cover with supporting lefties.

more likely they just hate fly and saw it as a chance to score some points against him, but, once again, the fly is always right postulate ruled the day and they got shown as clowns. mebbe next time.

oh and either this is like some next level amazing trolling isht or you might be the most lacking in self awareness on this forum.

and regardless, just in case, no that sign is not an example of being treated as 2nd class lolol.

Lol, I'm going to have to say I highly doubt you're opening statement because of some of your postings in other threads and are taking the side that fits your views. Like repeating Dvaut's straight out lie I'm somehow pushing right wing fantasies by saying bad **** occurred five decades ago, and it is plausible what Dom said might be truthful.

I don't think Dvaut or you are interested in the truth as much as sticking to a story. Y'know like conservatives do.

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You've got a pattern of saying "this posting does not help our mission." Dude, no one's accomplishing **** here, it's just an enjoyable way to pass the time. And if someone says something stupid, or tries to spike the ball and fails, they get spiked on in return. Thems the rules.

This.

Two commas! Dude was really putting his foot down.

Nah. Maybe for some/most but I get more than that out of it frequently. I don't waste a lot of time with the stuff like fly's posts, which are mostly self-indulgent bro anger, or engage the mouth-breathers baiting a never ending circular argument often anymore. I've done my share of all of that, not claiming to be above it, maybe past it, likely temporarily.

There are people who are smarter than me here. Certainly people who are more informed and educated as well. I didnt wade into politics here for years because I was concerned it would be a negative drain on me and feed my internet addiction. Its true on both counts but there is more there for me when I stay alert.

Dvaut, as an example, is not an idiot. I can learn from him both when I agree and disagree with him. Currently, I can test my thoughts about what the **** we do to address how bad we are losing this battle against true ****ing villians, how we address what I consider much more serious a problem than most. I offer a challenge and will happily concede if it is torn apart. Abandon it. Move on. Or it can find resonance in the lack of answers as it has this time. I have not heard an answer as to why we should keep the other side accountable other than attacks on motivation, platitudes about how it's simply the right thing to do, and silence.

I think I'm on to something.

No ****? Is that a rarity?

There has been some miscommunication so if you're sincerely asking:


That's the context, a "part of some left-wing attack on the soldiers" and a propaganda machine grinding along, with lolraradevils' protestations.

So, maybe bad timing but that's when you posted:

Along with that context, you pluralized "neighbors" which is thematic. And you addressed Fly after he mentioned hippies. What you said is "not some made up BS" is, in context, "left-wing attack on the soldiers."

So, that's why. There would've been an entirely different conversation if it started like, "Actually there was incident with my neighbor growing up so I understand why people might believe all of it."

Really? Bravo.

This thread was a hoot, and Dvaut made some good posts and points (as usual.)

It will be fun to reminisce about it in the wreckage of the environment, economy, and humanity we are gonna see in our lifetimes! Not online of course, because these topics will be off limits.

Unlike you who make fruitless posts and zero points, but come in here tone policing Johnny Truant for whatever reason.

Thing is though if you really think Dvaut makes good posts, why does he end up having to rat**** by distorting arguments so much?

Lol Paul, I never claimed otherwise. Know thyself.

If I am in fact tone policing him (to go with that term) it's probably because I don't think he was actually looking to have an honest exchange with Dvaut, and instead thought he had stumbled upon some sort of "gotcha" against him.

Dvaut has been infected by a fly bite. It's a shame as his posts are otherwise excellent.

I missed that part. If anything I think he, and even Fly, treated Dom and Co. with kid gloves.

Start a thread about your big ideas? Set the parameters of the discussion to your satisfaction.

Hey, it's okay. I try too hard too sometimes. Hugs.

Fair enough. But I think I also made it clear I didn't know who did the vandalizing in my next few posts. But that didn't deter either of them.

Whatever, I'm done with this conversation. Tired of smart people on here playing gotcha and being intellectually disingenuous instead of actually trying to communicate, when I'm just trying to add to the conversation. Some people just want to spout off without really engaging, and that's fine. I don't have to play, though.