This is just beating a dead horse, but you notice when people kept asking Johnny what the **** point he was trying to make he was OFFENDED and UPSET at the suggestion that he needed to get his points in order, he was just trying to participate in the narrative with holistic screaming at leftists for being rude and then a weird tangent into me personally. Then he tried to preen that people who didn't understand his posts were just too stupid, there were points in there for the enlightened and so if you didn't get it you were just dumb.


Now?

Suddenly there's some nebulously defined burden on us to have done... something. It's unclear. Changing MULTIPLE PEOPLE'S MINDS was insufficient, though, that definitely doesn't count.

Remember yesterday when I told you that your posts are incomprehensible? The neologisms are a big reason why. They are also a sign of mental illness. Take care of yourself.

I mean, multiple people explicitly said they learned something new.

I'll reply more later.

Dude I apologize for it as I know it's annoying. I am on a phone and the autocorrect is ridic. I'll ask my doctor about it, though.

Lol. Seriously man, I mean you keep repeating your narrative over and over but it still isn't true. This is what people put up with to get to the invaluable gems, I suppose. You may have a good point to shove down someone else's throat ad nauseum every now and then, but holy **** you really believe everything you think to a fault. I hurt your feelings by daring to challenge you and responding in kind and you chalk that up to me being offended by you? I have never used the ignore feature and don't plan to, but go sit at the kids table for a while while I talk to 6 which doesn't count as the super important internet identity "we" you need so bad. Not you. Not you this time.

I've learned two things in this thread. The first was about the "stabbed in the back" myth, which I wasn't really very well aware of. The second was about the importance of quitting while you're behind.

Fair enough, y'all. I'll complete my part in the pantomime and call it quits. See you in the prison camps, hope they let us have thanksgiving.

Is Johnny a spanky alt?

Wow. That was invigorating.

Generally, and especially in politics, the second is a really really bad thing to learn.

This disaster has nothing to do with politics.

If your neurotransmitters are this sensitive enough to fire this hot from someone's story from Viet ****ing Nam then your breakdown is the product of another problem and not your "compassion" for politics.

It is quite bizarre but the personal stuff is some people's idea of good politics. That in itself is part of politics.

What makes you fire hot?

Lies don't matter if the subject is far enough in the past?

Well in spite of myself, I ended up reading this thread anyway. Lolme

A million times this, my lord. I hate to pile on Dominic here as he seems a decent enough guy and poster. But if you are going to question the veracity of Dominic's childhood memories and porn star stories, you might want to throw in his dubious claims of being an English professor. The conclusions he comes to from this thread are a pretty harsh indictment of his close reading ability. Sometimes you guys need to take a deep breath before you start typing.

lol what conclusion did I come to? All I was doing was saying, hey, this happened in my neighborhood and was questioning why I was being called a liar about it. That's it. I even agreed that most of those apocryphal stories of vet abuse are probably not true and found the links interesting.

You guys are amazing. Anyone who doesn't agree with you or engages in a way you don't like immediately gets called out as lame or "lol olds" or whatever. You're all more interested in being right than having a discussion. But hey, you be you.

As for me being an English Professor, I wish it wasn't true right now, as I'm in the middle of midterm paper grading.

But yeah, keep calling me a liar.

"Sometimes you guys need to take a deep breath before you start typing."

English lesson 1 - this is called irony.

Once again:

Dom responded to this post and deleted the bolded from his quote to instead post this:

Dom you aren't a special snowflake, you aren't different from any of the regs here, you want to be right just as badly as everyone else. Unfortunately, in this thread, you aren't. That's why you don't respond when someone asks you what your ****ing point is.

Goofy, I really have no clue what point you're trying to make. I guess I'm not smart enough. But please, keep calling me names, I'm sure that makes you feel superior and smug.

I'm serious - I don't get your point at all.

Again, please tell me - what am I not right about? I've only shared my own experiences and did not say Fly or DVaut is wrong..I even agreed that it's probable that the majority of vet abuse is not true.

the only thing I was confused about was why you guys suddenly jumped on me and called me a liar. That's it. I have no dog in this fight beyond that. I'm a liberal - I never once said anything against liberals. Show me where I did.

What is this bolded thing you keep trying to "gothcha" me about? I really am perplexed.

THAT'S my point. Got it? What else do you want to know? Ask, I'll answer right now.

Okay. You repeatedly post things like this:

I ask "what is the discussion you're trying to have". You ignore that question. I ask you again. You ignore it again and instead respond with a "gotcha" ("lol I never said what you said I said!"). You are exactly the person you think is boring in the quote above; there is no discussion you're interested in having here, you just want to be right. That is why, repeatedly, when asked what the discussion is that the rest of us are apparently avoiding, you ignore it and run away.

Okay, I can see you thinking that.

The discussion I wanted to have was the very interesting one about the vet abuse mythology being wrong. And when I entered the discussion to give my personal account of some vet abuse - simply saying, "hey, I remember this" - I got shouted down as a liar and someone trying to perpetuate anti-liberal biases, or something.

Could I have responded better to Fly after he told me pics or GTFO? Sure, but I was responding in kind.

Again, I have no dog in this fight. I thought the links and books Dvaut and Fly were interesting and would've loved to learn more about them and discuss them. Instead, all I got was that I'm a liar or I have a false memory. So how did I respond? I asked my Mom what SHE remembered! And she confirmed both my memory of the event AND the fact, that it wasn't some anti-vet movement doing the abuse, but some random kids.

And I reported that. Because I thought it was interesting.

And then somehow people thought that meant my memory had been faulty somehow and I won't admit it...or something. Again, I am completely perplexed at the venom this thread has thrown at me. Am I hurt? LOL **** no. Just confused as hell.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone or saying they are wrong about Vietnam Vet abuse. It is possible that for the most part, a lot of that was exaggerated or made up AND my experience to be true. I spent a half a day washing that garage door of epithets.

And then you come in saying - I really don't know what. That I'm crying over being treated poorly and boo hoo? No, I'm not...I just want an explanation as to why the lot of you thought I was lying about my own experience and how that automatically makes me a liberal traitor to the cause.

Then...I'm done with the thread and see the above post from Trolly calling me a liar yet again - and now about my ****ing job lol.

So excuse me for me not seeing how wonderfully conversational and informative you guys are being in this thread. All I'm seeing is you guys snickering in the corner over "lol olds." That's MY experience of this thread.

Am I sometimes guilty of being unclear? I sure I am. I don't put the effort into most posts the way a lot of you seem to. Look at the number of posts I have. For cris'sake, I'm sure most of them are crap.

The only thing I ask is that if I am unclear or that I'm saying something that is contradictory, is that you let me know without the ridiculous name calling (of which I am also to blame). I'll do my best to make things more clear.

But if you all just want to say "**** that, we like the invective and name calling because this is the internet," then fine. <shrug> That's your prerogative. Doesn't mean I have to respond.

Now...is there anything else that I have not answered to your satisfaction? I'm serious, I would like to make sure I am not skipping over anything or, as you say, "running away."

I mean, Jesus, Dude...we've been on this site together for over a decade. I'd think you'd be able to ask me something and I could answer without all this ****ing drama.

I want to make one point clear, though - when I first entered the thread, all I saw was a post saying the vets weren't really abused at home, or something - and I responded with a "no you're wrong" kind of post... and then we were off to the races.

I could've both made my own point clearer and maybe made sure I understood what I was responding to first.

But, that's what makes the internet the internet, I guess.

I mean, I have nothing new to add that hasn't already been posted by someone smarter and wittier then me. But if this thread was a reading comprehension question on the SAT, you would have gotten it wrong. Which is weird because you wrote it!


Well that was a little out of bounds of me, apologies. My read at the time was that you were playing fast and loose with job titles. It's happened here before. But then I remembered those MFA programs. If you are one of those guys who got tenure for getting a one-act play published in the Kenyon Review, then sincere kudos. Good work if you can get it and all that.

I'll have to look that up on Wikipedia. Thanks for the tip.

It's like rain, on a wedding day.

this made me literally lol

My cousin Cracker is really good at resolving the dramatic tension in these threads.